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jeeagles Flag 27 Jul 20 1.18pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

After the Bournemouth game it was a totally different picture. 4 wins, 4 clean sheets in a row. I doubt too many players would be thinking new systems etc., while they are banking their win bonuses !

But I agree, it's about evolution. And then we get back into the old argument about the quality of young players...as for tactics, another topic done to death - while they achieve Hodgson's objective then he has no incentive to change.

Newcastle from a set peice, relegated Watford and Bournmouth (opening goal from a set peice) and Brighton (against the run of play and who had the were the only team on a worse run of form than us when we played them). Coming of the back of 3 defeats in a row.

We are pretty much incapable of scoring from open play. Our corners and indirect free kicks are useless.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 1.18pm

This is how 'nice' some so-called Palace fans are. Someone really needs to have a word with this vermin.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Putitout Flag Oxford 27 Jul 20 1.24pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

It's statements like these that don't hold water. Hodgson inherited a decent enough squad:
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which he has slowly turned into a bunch of headless chicken numpties almost afraid to cross the half way line lest they break the shape mantra. I note that he did the same whilst England manager - he had the cream of English players to choose from yet by the end of his reign they looked like they had never seen a football. The fact that Southgate came in with a different vision attests to Hodgson's failures. If Parish can find replacements in a short space of time for the likes of Pulis, Allerdyce and particularly FdB, then I'm sure he can find one for Hodgson.


You state it often enough you have no time for Hodgson. He was at the end of a long line of managers to be let down by the so called cream of English, football, but never mind ah.
The fact remains the man hasn’t been given the players to expand our playing style much beyond where it is . If you take into account the injury lists he has dealt with this year it’s a wonder we didn’t fill one of the dreaded three, But never mind that either .
Get him out and find another mug. Well at least you will feel a little better, if they did get him out , but the club will carryon struggling to cope with its present severe lack of player investment.
And you will be able to get stuck into another candidate for your dissatisfaction .

 
doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jul 20 1.28pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

So our strategy is to keep an old boy in the job for as long as the old boy feels like he can get out of bed each morning? My God I really hope things aren't as clueless as that. We're a football club not a nursing home.


I don't disagree. All I'm trying to say is "don't assume that Roy will be going next Summer". It's clear that the club isn't prepared to (or can't) fund any significant transfer activity, whether Roy or someone else is manager. Even if we get (say) £40m for Wilf, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the maximum amount the club would reinvest in new players.
We have to remember that we weren't expecting megadosh to be spent before Covid 19 hit the world and there'll be even less available for transfer activity now.
If Roy's the only experienced manager prepared to work with the squad as it is (plus perhaps 3/4 new youngsters), it's unlikely he'll be leaving soon.

As I've said previously, I'm neither pro nor anti Roy. I'm trying to work out what's feasible in the current situation and it seems to me that a bird in the hand etc. means Roy stays at least until summer 2021 and if we survive next season, possibly beyond that. And NO I'm not looking forward to another season of the drab football we saw in this last one.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 1.31pm

Originally posted by Putitout


You state it often enough you have no time for Hodgson. He was at the end of a long line of managers to be let down by the so called cream of English, football, but never mind ah.
The fact remains the man hasn’t been given the players to expand our playing style much beyond where it is . If you take into account the injury lists he has dealt with this year it’s a wonder we didn’t fill one of the dreaded three, But never mind that either .
Get him out and find another mug. Well at least you will feel a little better, if they did get him out , but the club will carryon struggling to cope with its present severe lack of player investment.
And you will be able to get stuck into another candidate for your dissatisfaction .

Very well said. If Carlsberg did HOL posts....

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
jeeagles Flag 27 Jul 20 1.37pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This is how 'nice' some so-called Palace fans are. Someone really needs to have a word with this vermin.

Read your own signature before critising other peoples bad jokes.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 1.45pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Read your own signature before critising other peoples bad jokes.

My signature is a quote from a Crown Court judge which you'd have known if you could be bothered to look it up. But this just demonstrates, again, your inclination to gob off without really being in possession of facts or an appreciation of any bigger picture.

Equating a quote from a judge to a nasty, malicious comment from a Palace fan who wants the manager dead is a quantum leap in logic achievable by only the stupidest of stupid.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Painter Flag Croydon 27 Jul 20 1.59pm

Originally posted by Willo

On HOL, and privately, I have always recognised Hodgson's achievements in keeping us in the PL for 3 seasons with a very limited spend.
This is the sole objective of the club and he has met that objective so "Happy Days" as far as the Board are concerned.
The football was uninspiring but in the final analysis the end has justified the means.

Do you think, if he had more quality forwards at his disposal, he would play a more attacking formation. In my view, Townsend needs to be moved on, bring Wickham back into the fold, acquire a winger and another forward.

 
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 20 2.06pm

Originally posted by Painter

Do you think, if he had more quality forwards at his disposal, he would play a more attacking formation. In my view, Townsend needs to be moved on, bring Wickham back into the fold, acquire a winger and another forward.

Some supporters whom I have engaged in conversation with have it in their minds that even if we sign players with more flair, Hodgson would still play the same way with a rigid formation and a lack of rotation during a game.
Someone commented that if he was at Brentford with the same players at his disposal, they would not be as pleasing on the eye, indeed quite the reverse.

Apropos Wickham I have seen him play for Sheff Wed on 'Loan' and I wasn't left with the impression that he could make a positive contribution for us in the PL.


Edited by Willo (27 Jul 2020 2.11pm)

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 2.06pm

Originally posted by Painter

Do you think, if he had more quality forwards at his disposal, he would play a more attacking formation. In my view, Townsend needs to be moved on, bring Wickham back into the fold, acquire a winger and another forward.

He'd certainly be able to play a more attacking game with a little more confidence. Not sure about bringing Wickham back now, to be honest but another winger and forward would certainly make a difference. Moving Benteke on I'd have thought would be more of a priority.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 27 Jul 20 2.15pm

All this play the kids forgets one thing - Professional Integrity. We had to play the best team we could field as we were playing against teams with something to play for and to not try would not have been right. Bournemouth and Aston Villa were fighting relegation, Chelsea, Leicester, Wolves and Spurs were fighting for European football. Remember how we felt when Oldham beat Liverpool 4-3 resulting in us being relegated.

 

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 27 Jul 20 2.18pm

Originally posted by Putitout


You state it often enough you have no time for Hodgson. He was at the end of a long line of managers to be let down by the so called cream of English, football, but never mind ah.
The fact remains the man hasn’t been given the players to expand our playing style much beyond where it is . If you take into account the injury lists he has dealt with this year it’s a wonder we didn’t fill one of the dreaded three, But never mind that either .
Get him out and find another mug. Well at least you will feel a little better, if they did get him out , but the club will carryon struggling to cope with its present severe lack of player investment.
And you will be able to get stuck into another candidate for your dissatisfaction .

I think this is fundamentally where the difference in view comes from.

Whilst I recognise the squad is relatively weak, I don’t agree this is even close to the best we could expect out of what we do have.

Go and look at our squads under Pulis or Warnock in the Prem - it’s not even comparable.

 
PatrickA Flag London 27 Jul 20 2.33pm

On the subject of Dyche as potential replacement the Times is reporting today that he is paid more than any of his players at Burnley with a salary of £60,000 per week.
The impression given is that he’s their most valuable employee and I’m sure there would be a hefty cost in trying to prise him away.
As others have pointed out he has a fair degree of autonomy at Burnley too which he would be unlikely to enjoy at Palace with the hands on involvement of Freedman and Parish.
Perhaps one of Hodgson’s most attractive attributes for Parish is that he is willing to work with constraints that perhaps other managers would not.

 
Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 2.41pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think this is fundamentally where the difference in view comes from.

Whilst I recognise the squad is relatively weak, I don’t agree this is even close to the best we could expect out of what we do have.

Go and look at our squads under Pulis or Warnock in the Prem - it’s not even comparable.

With Pulis, we finished 11th on 45 points. Warnock was manager for the first 17 games and we finished 10th on 48 points. This season, it was 14th on 43 points. All that really shows is that we've not really progressed, nor have we been appreciably more sh*t than other seasons. Without a HUGE cash boost, we are what we are - a fairly consistent mid to lower table side.

 

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
Painter Flag Croydon 27 Jul 20 2.50pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

He'd certainly be able to play a more attacking game with a little more confidence. Not sure about bringing Wickham back now, to be honest but another winger and forward would certainly make a difference. Moving Benteke on I'd have thought would be more of a priority.

I would keep Benteke, he would benefit from a 4-4-2 system, as he keeps CBs occupied with his aerial ability and quicker partner could flourish. Townsend has dramatically declined, he looks like he is running in quick sand.

 
Putitout Flag Oxford 27 Jul 20 3.06pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think this is fundamentally where the difference in view comes from.

Whilst I recognise the squad is relatively weak, I don’t agree this is even close to the best we could expect out of what we do have.

Go and look at our squads under Pulis or Warnock in the Prem - it’s not even comparable.

I notice you leave Pardew, and Big Sam, out. Warnock, only proved how hard it is to make a positive impression in this league . Pulis, left knowing he had gone as far as it would go. With regard to player recruitment.
And then the other two ,both had decent money spent, did either get beyond half way?
Then there is Roy, In three years a succession of fill gaps, a couple of injury risks , a couple of free transfers two or three successful loans, one a disaster , Oh and a Scandinavian , mystery performer .
That’s not going to take any manager or team forward in a hurry.
For many this is all about style , the problem is style doesn’t keep you in with the big boys, only all round ability can do that . It’s an area we haven’t improved significantly since Hodgson took the job.
Both Norwich, and Bournemouth , had some style Watford capable.
So much for that.

 
southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Jul 20 3.06pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think this is fundamentally where the difference in view comes from.

Whilst I recognise the squad is relatively weak, I don’t agree this is even close to the best we could expect out of what we do have.

Go and look at our squads under Pulis or Warnock in the Prem - it’s not even comparable.

Absolutely. I don't think it matters whatever players Hodgson has available, what we see is his game philosophy in action. Taking this a step further, and this has been mentioned by others, what would entice a forward thinking player to sign for the Palace, knowing that these are the tactics? Equally, what is going to entice the young Palace fan of the future if the only thing on offer is 11 men behind the ball playing side to side, with the opposition having the majority of possession? Let's not mention the second lowest goals for count...

 
EddieMac Flag 27 Jul 20 3.10pm

This thread is marvellous. The divide between Roy IN and Roy Out is massive and there will be no agreement anytime soon.

I am in the Roy in camp but I have had my days when I have wanted the opposite. I may be biased but I think the Roy OUT camp make absolutely no sense with their argument for wanting him gone.

The same repetitive comments about only playing defensive midfielders, but I think if you asked Jimmy McArthur he would tell you he is not a defensive midfielder. Then in the same breath you scream for Riedewald to play who is a centre back or an out and out defensive midfielder.

You bang on about lack of subs but you all seem to be blind to the fact that our benches on match days have players on it who are literally just there in case of emergency as our squad is so threadbare.

We play the same starting team because we have to, why would we play weaker players just to keep some of you lot happy? Most teams in this division have 2/3 players in every position, we have 1 striker, 1 right back, 3 wingers.

Brandon Pierrick is not the answer to our problems and more than likely will be playing in league 1 very soon and the same goes for Sam Woods. Why should he play them for the sake of it? To see if they’re good enough ? He knows they are not good enough because it is clear as mud when he watches them in the under 23’s.

Open the eyes on your heads and have a look at our squad on a weekly basis and you will see why we play as we do. Open your eyes and look at our injury lists on a weekly basis. I often hear you say but we have a good squad on paper. Paper doesn’t win football matches, half of them are constantly injured.

Schlupp, Townsend, Benteke, Sakho, Tomkins, Kelly, Cahill, Dann have all missed a massive amount of games this season.

You all have very short memories and choose to be blind to the faults in our squad. There is one reason we have stayed in this division this year and that is our defence before Covid and our boring tactics.

One last point I forget to mention was, People constantly banging on about Wickham and that he should never have been let leave. I feel sorry for Wickham as his top level career is over but he was let leave by Roy because Roy couldn’t promise the chap game time and he was also replaced with Tosun who very unluckily got injured. Again not Roy’s fault.

Edited by EddieMac (27 Jul 2020 3.10pm)

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EddieMac Flag 27 Jul 20 3.14pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think this is fundamentally where the difference in view comes from.

Whilst I recognise the squad is relatively weak, I don’t agree this is even close to the best we could expect out of what we do have.

Go and look at our squads under Pulis or Warnock in the Prem - it’s not even comparable.

Your comparing apples and oranges. Have a look at the league in those years and the strength of all the other teams.

 
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 20 3.15pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

This thread is marvellous. The divide between Roy IN and Roy Out is massive and there will be no agreement anytime soon.

I am in the Roy in camp but I have had my days when I have wanted the opposite. I may be biased but I think the Roy OUT camp make absolutely no sense with their argument for wanting him gone.

The same repetitive comments about only playing defensive midfielders, but I think if you asked Jimmy McArthur he would tell you he is not a defensive midfielder. Then in the same breath you scream for Riedewald to play who is a centre back or an out and out defensive midfielder.

You bang on about lack of subs but you all seem to be blind to the fact that our benches on match days have players on it who are literally just there in case of emergency as our squad is so threadbare.

We play the same starting team because we have to, why would we play weaker players just to keep some of you lot happy? Most teams in this division have 2/3 players in every position, we have 1 striker, 1 right back, 3 wingers.

Brandon Pierrick is not the answer to our problems and more than likely will be playing in league 1 very soon and the same goes for Sam Woods. Why should he play them for the sake of it? To see if they’re good enough ? He knows they are not good enough because it is clear as mud when he watches them in the under 23’s.

Open the eyes on your heads and have a look at our squad on a weekly basis and you will see why we play as we do. Open your eyes and look at our injury lists on a weekly basis. I often hear you say but we have a good squad on paper. Paper doesn’t win football matches, half of them are constantly injured.

Schlupp, Townsend, Benteke, Sakho, Tomkins, Kelly, Cahill, Dann have all missed a massive amount of games this season.

You all have very short memories and choose to be blind to the faults in our squad. There is one reason we have stayed in this division this year and that is our defence before Covid and our boring tactics.

Edited by EddieMac (27 Jul 2020 3.10pm)

I am in agreement with the general thrust of these sentiments and we are of like mind on a lot of the minutiae.

 
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