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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.27pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] The f**ing hypocrisy of the Tories to play the Corbyn is a terrorist card and then jump into bed with a party represented by former terrorists. Arch reactionary Ian Paisley set up the DUP in 1971 because the Official Ulster Unionist Party didn’t hate Catholics enough for him. It now has ten of Northern Ireland’s 18 MPs.* The Tories made a great deal of noise about Jeremy Corbyn’s supposed links to terrorists during the election campaign. Now they want to go into coalition with people with a rotten history of backing terrorism. The terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians. Former First Minister Peter Robinson, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance. Paisley long toyed with Loyalist death squads to protect the “Union” with Britain. In 1981 Paisley launched “Third Force”. He led a group of 500 men up a hillside in County Antrim at night, where they were photographed holding firearms certificates above their heads. They were showing that they could easily have been holding weapons. Contrast your screaming about the UDP being terrorists with your apologia for IS terrorists. It's like listening to Rik from the Young Ones. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.27pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

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The f***ing hypocrisy of the Tories to play the Corbyn is a terrorist card and then jump into bed with a party represented by former terrorists.
Arch reactionary Ian Paisley set up the DUP in 1971 because the Official Ulster Unionist Party didn’t hate Catholics enough for him. It now has ten of Northern Ireland’s 18 MPs.

The Tories made a great deal of noise about Jeremy Corbyn’s supposed links to terrorists during the election campaign. Now they want to go into coalition with people with a rotten history of backing terrorism.

The terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to be prominent DUP politicians.

Former First Minister Peter Robinson, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s first minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance.

Paisley long toyed with Loyalist death squads to protect the “Union” with Britain.

In 1981 Paisley launched “Third Force”. He led a group of 500 men up a hillside in County Antrim at night, where they were photographed holding firearms certificates above their heads. They were showing that they could easily have been holding weapons.

Contrast your screaming about the UDP being terrorists with your apologia for IS terrorists. It's like listening to Rik from the Young Ones.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 1.29pm
It's quite funny today seeing those on here who hate foreigners, hate the younger generations and flatly hate the EU while squirming trying making lame excuses to cover what has been a disaster for them over the last 24 hours. Everyone else is wrong of course, everyone in the EU even though they are made up of 27 seperate countries. If they had their way the UK would be a huge retirement home 'competing' with the rest of the world. Laughable, very laughable. The way they are insulting younger voters is both disgusting and insulting. The younger generations are the future of the UK and they want to stay withinthe EU and voted so yesterday. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 1.29pm

It's quite funny today seeing those on here who hate foreigners, hate the younger generations and flatly hate the EU while squirming trying making lame excuses to cover what has been a disaster for them over the last 24 hours. Everyone else is wrong of course, everyone in the EU even though they are made up of 27 seperate countries.

If they had their way the UK would be a huge retirement home 'competing' with the rest of the world. Laughable, very laughable. The way they are insulting younger voters is both disgusting and insulting. The younger generations are the future of the UK and they want to stay withinthe EU and voted so yesterday.

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And the fact that the DUP were acting in the interests of the Union and therefore Britain . That's us BTW. Ah right, so its ok if the terrorists are our terrorists, and terrorist sympathisers. They're heroes right. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And the fact that the DUP were acting in the interests of the Union and therefore Britain . That's us BTW.

Ah right, so its ok if the terrorists are our terrorists, and terrorist sympathisers. They're heroes right.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.30pm
Originally posted by europalace It's quite funny today seeing those on here who hate foreigners, hate the younger generations and flatly hate the EU while squirming trying making lame excuses to cover what has been a disaster for them over the last 24 hours. Everyone else is wrong of course, everyone in the EU even though they are made up of 27 seperate countries. If they had their way the UK would be a huge retirement home 'competing' with the rest of the world. Laughable, very laughable. The way they are insulting younger voters is both disgusting and insulting. The younger generations are the future of the UK and they want to stay withinthe EU and voted so yesterday. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm) I don't hate foreigners or young people - I do hate the EU though. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.30pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

I don't hate foreigners or young people - I do hate the EU though.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.31pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Contrast your screaming about the UDP being terrorists with your apologia for IS terrorists. It's like listening to Rik from the Young Ones. Oh the turn to attacking the poster. Be honest, the DUP were as bad as Sinn Fein, its just that their interests were more aligned with the UK, so they get a pass. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.31pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Contrast your screaming about the UDP being terrorists with your apologia for IS terrorists. It's like listening to Rik from the Young Ones.

Oh the turn to attacking the poster. Be honest, the DUP were as bad as Sinn Fein, its just that their interests were more aligned with the UK, so they get a pass.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.32pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No more than the Catholics hated the Protestants. I should remind you that the Unionists had a democratic majority. I'm not getting into Irish history too far or someone will bring up 1916 or potatoes. I speak as someone who has some Irish ancestry. Right, so people murdering one another over Northern Ireland politics are the same kind of c**t. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No more than the Catholics hated the Protestants.

I should remind you that the Unionists had a democratic majority.
I'm not getting into Irish history too far or someone will bring up 1916 or potatoes. I speak as someone who has some Irish ancestry.

Right, so people murdering one another over Northern Ireland politics are the same kind of c**t.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.32pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Oh the turn to attacking the poster. Be honest, the DUP were as bad as Sinn Fein, its just that their interests were more aligned with the UK, so they get a pass. No they were not. Sinn Fein were the IRA, the DUP were not the Protestant terror groups. Yes, it is true the Protestants did not attack the British mainland or kill British soldier, Sinn Fein/IRA did. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 1.34pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.32pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Oh the turn to attacking the poster. Be honest, the DUP were as bad as Sinn Fein, its just that their interests were more aligned with the UK, so they get a pass.

No they were not. Sinn Fein were the IRA, the DUP were not the Protestant terror groups. Yes, it is true the Protestants did not attack the British mainland or kill British soldier, Sinn Fein/IRA did.

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

johnno42000 09 Jun 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You brought 'hate' into it. Sectarian resentment is of no consequence to me. Being bombed and having the security and politics of my country threatened is however. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2017 1.26pm) and Catholics being murdered and injured on British soil by organisations linked to the DUP (who May has to beg for help)doesn't concern you? What a surprise. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

09 Jun 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You brought 'hate' into it. Sectarian resentment is of no consequence to me. Being bombed and having the security and politics of my country threatened is however.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2017 1.26pm)

and Catholics being murdered and injured on British soil by organisations linked to the DUP (who May has to beg for help)doesn't concern you? What a surprise.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 1.33pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Ah right, so its ok if the terrorists are our terrorists, and terrorist sympathisers. They're heroes right. Certainly not. It is just a question self interest. The Unionists were not bombing Britain and trying to undermine our democracy. Killing for political gain cannot be supported.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ah right, so its ok if the terrorists are our terrorists, and terrorist sympathisers. They're heroes right.

Certainly not. It is just a question self interest.
The Unionists were not bombing Britain and trying to undermine our democracy.
Killing for political gain cannot be supported.

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't remember having a second referendum on the details of Brexit. Brexit means leaving the single market or it is not really Brexit at all. reducing immigration was a primary reason why people voted Leave. Which Corbyn has said we would do (and oddly were in a situation where Remain May is overseeing an exit, and Corbyn, a man who spent his life as anti-EU, became the Remain guy). How well have the Conservatives performed on reducing immigration? Remember only 48% of working migration into the UK comes from the EU... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't remember having a second referendum on the details of Brexit. Brexit means leaving the single market or it is not really Brexit at all. reducing immigration was a primary reason why people voted Leave.

Which Corbyn has said we would do (and oddly were in a situation where Remain May is overseeing an exit, and Corbyn, a man who spent his life as anti-EU, became the Remain guy).

How well have the Conservatives performed on reducing immigration? Remember only 48% of working migration into the UK comes from the EU...

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Mstrobez 09 Jun 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by europalace It's quite funny today seeing those on here who hate foreigners, hate the younger generations and flatly hate the EU while squirming trying making lame excuses to cover what has been a disaster for them over the last 24 hours. Everyone else is wrong of course, everyone in the EU even though they are made up of 27 seperate countries. If they had their way the UK would be a huge retirement home 'competing' with the rest of the world. Laughable, very laughable. The way they are insulting younger voters is both disgusting and insulting. The younger generations are the future of the UK and they want to stay withinthe EU and voted so yesterday. Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm) Taxing the future to preserve the past... We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

09 Jun 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by europalace

Edited by europalace (09 Jun 2017 1.29pm)

Taxing the future to preserve the past...

We're the Arthur over ere!

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Certainly not. It is just a question self interest. The Unionists were not bombing Britain and trying to undermine our democracy. Killing for political gain cannot be supported. Which is my point. The DUP are terrorist sympathisers, but its ok because they're 'our kind of terrorist sympathisers'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.36pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Certainly not. It is just a question self interest.
The Unionists were not bombing Britain and trying to undermine our democracy.
Killing for political gain cannot be supported.

Which is my point. The DUP are terrorist sympathisers, but its ok because they're 'our kind of terrorist sympathisers'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 1.37pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 and Catholics being murdered and injured on British soil by organisations linked to the DUP (who May has to beg for help)doesn't concern you? What a surprise. Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 1.37pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

and Catholics being murdered and injured on British soil by organisations linked to the DUP (who May has to beg for help)doesn't concern you? What a surprise.

Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country.

johnno42000 09 Jun 17 1.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country. There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

09 Jun 17 1.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Jun 17 1.42pm
Conservatives, lady pm , rows over Europe and now Ireland involved. Might do a home perm and put some shoulder pads in my jacket. All hurtled backwards about 35 years . When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

Michaelawt85

Bexley 09 Jun 17 1.42pm

Conservatives, lady pm , rows over Europe and now Ireland involved. Might do a home perm and put some shoulder pads in my jacket. All hurtled backwards about 35 years .

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.43pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 No they were not. Sinn Fein were the IRA, the DUP were not the Protestant terror groups. Yes, it is true the Protestants did not attack the British mainland or kill British soldier, Sinn Fein/IRA did. Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 1.34pm) Sinn Fein wasn't the IRA, it was the political wing of the IRA. The UDA had the same relationship with the UVF and UFF, and the DUP were part of the UDA. We're just less honest about it. And no it doesn't make you better if you just killed Irish Catholics, rather than the British Army - You're still in the business of murder. And for what? The British Army didn't need their assistance. Probably not worth looking at the role of Loyalist groups in the burning out of Catholics that started the whole f**king 30 year nightmare. The IRA were never going to win. The loyalist terrorism wasn't necessary. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Edited by hedgehog50 (09 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

Sinn Fein wasn't the IRA, it was the political wing of the IRA. The UDA had the same relationship with the UVF and UFF, and the DUP were part of the UDA.

We're just less honest about it. And no it doesn't make you better if you just killed Irish Catholics, rather than the British Army - You're still in the business of murder. And for what? The British Army didn't need their assistance.

Probably not worth looking at the role of Loyalist groups in the burning out of Catholics that started the whole f**king 30 year nightmare.

The IRA were never going to win. The loyalist terrorism wasn't necessary.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

europalace Europe 09 Jun 17 1.43pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 I don't hate foreigners or young people - I do hate the EU though. yeah, of course.

europalace

Europe 09 Jun 17 1.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I don't hate foreigners or young people - I do hate the EU though.

yeah, of course.

hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.44pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable. It is simply untrue to say that the DUP and Sinn Fein share the same history of violence. May is negotiating a political coalition, why is that unbelievable. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 09 Jun 17 1.44pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

There is no difference between the DUP and Sinn Fein and for May to beg for help from one of them is almost unbelievable.

It is simply untrue to say that the DUP and Sinn Fein share the same history of violence. May is negotiating a political coalition, why is that unbelievable.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 17 1.45pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Which is my point. The DUP are terrorist sympathisers, but its ok because they're 'our kind of terrorist sympathisers'. We don't agree with you. The IRA killed more than double what the Loyalists did. The loyalists didn't target the British state. Sure we do err on the side of those not attacking us. Anyone who killed an innocent is a murderer independent of what side they were on.....Personally those who murdered...outside of active IRA operations.... worsened the sh1t sandwich not bettered it But your equivalence is not something I or plenty of others will accept. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 1.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 17 1.45pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which is my point. The DUP are terrorist sympathisers, but its ok because they're 'our kind of terrorist sympathisers'.

We don't agree with you.

The IRA killed more than double what the Loyalists did. The loyalists didn't target the British state. Sure we do err on the side of those not attacking us.

Anyone who killed an innocent is a murderer independent of what side they were on.....Personally those who murdered...outside of active IRA operations.... worsened the sh1t sandwich not bettered it

But your equivalence is not something I or plenty of others will accept.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 1.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Any loss of life in the name of sectarianism or to subvert democracy is a major concern to me. I don't take sides on Northern Ireland but I do become biased when people are bombing towns in my country. I get where you're coming from, to me, the threat of the PIRA was always real. The likes of the UVF was far off. But I'm capable of empathy with how innocent Catholic civilians feel the same way about the UVF as I do about the Provisional IRA. Probably worse, given that proximity. Incidentally Lenny Murphy of the UVF did kill a Ulster Police Officer (who as affiliated with the UVF). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I get where you're coming from, to me, the threat of the PIRA was always real. The likes of the UVF was far off. But I'm capable of empathy with how innocent Catholic civilians feel the same way about the UVF as I do about the Provisional IRA. Probably worse, given that proximity.

Incidentally Lenny Murphy of the UVF did kill a Ulster Police Officer (who as affiliated with the UVF).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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