Yeah, with a vengeance - because of the widespread misery it has caused, not only in Europe, but in Africa too.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Can't anyone on the right see the irony in a coalition with the DUP?

In 2008, I seem to remember the Tories making a "fuss" when Gordon Brown was supported by the DUP solely over the extension to a 42 day detention order. The Tories voted against the idea.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Its a semantics of political convenience. The idea that the loyalists terror groups were a necessary evil and acceptable, because they were 'on our side'. But to me, ethically that's worse. The IRA were murderers, but they weren't murdering people in my name or in 'my countries name'.

And they did murder and terrorise British Citizens on a through basis, just because they were Catholic.

I don't see a difference. You murder, intimidate and terrorise people, you're the same as anyone else doing it. The thinly disguised bollocks that it was 'For Britain' is also bollocks. They were an occasional convenience for the state to deny complicity in murdering people who were on the periphery of the Republican Terror groups.

I don't condone murdering people, even if its my own country doing the murdering.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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It is untrue. Sinn Fein were the IRA, they were the same entity. The DUP was not a terrorist organistaion.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Me neither, nor for those sympathetic to terrorism or those who preach and perpetuate terrorism. Old Paisley if he was around now, and called Mohammed would be in prison.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Reckless no judgement May even bringing Northern Ireland troubles back.

It was a dark time and I suppose we should be grateful that both parties now restrict themselves to politics give or take a few die hards.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2017 2.03pm)

I'm not sure how you draw that conclusion - the only party offering any sort of "maybe we'll stay in after all" card were the Lib Dems, and their vote share barely changed. I think the way the leaders of the EU have behaved since the referendum has hardened views against them and, indeed, I've spoken to people who voted remain but have said they would switch to Leave if asked again (obviously a fairly unrepresentative sample). It's greatly complicated by the fact that we are already in, but if we were were not members and were to vote now on whether to join, knowing what we know about the way they operate and behave like petulant children when they don't get their own way, I'd think for about 10 seconds before voting "hell no" (and I didn't even vote to leave)

Sinn Fein are a political organisation. The DUP are a political organisation. No difference.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Did I? Link? Source?

I'm sure you'd get upset if I said you were on the side of IS.

The fact is Hrolf, for months you've been saying how useless Corbyn / Labour are and the electorate have given you two fingers.

Now you blame Labour's surge on stupid people.

Why can't you just say you got it wrong like Stirlingsays has.

Edited by nickgusset (09 Jun 2017 2.12pm)