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Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Mar 24 3.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We just don’t have them “all the time”!

It’s undoubtedly true that collectively journalists tend to be more socially aware than others and that this tends to mean they are more likely to hold left of centre views than right.

That’s just the nature of the profession, what it requires and what it brings. It doesn’t mean that professionals cannot be professional in their business life.

My friend who worked for both the Express and the Mail was always a socialist in his personal life but a consummate professional in his business life.

Perhaps the BBC presenter should have been a consummate professional and remembered that they/ she/he/it presented a CHILDRENS SHOW and not got involved. An alleged doctor denying scientific facts, how dangerous

Edited by Spiderman (24 Mar 2024 4.02pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Mar 24 7.47pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perhaps the BBC presenter should have been a consummate professional and remembered that they/ she/he/it presented a CHILDRENS SHOW and not got involved. An alleged doctor denying scientific facts, how dangerous

Edited by Spiderman (24 Mar 2024 4.02pm)

I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied.

I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share.

Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count!

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 24 Mar 24 7.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied.

I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share.

Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count!

Can you provide your list of reports that do count?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Mar 24 8.56am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I haven’t watched the show so have no idea what scientific facts were denied.

I assume you must have done to make that claim so maybe you can share.

Reports in the Daily Mail don’t count!

Never seen it, if you won’t accept the statement scientific facts , how about evidence based care for children? Unless you think giving children puberty blockers is acceptable?. So the Mail never print anything truthful? Who does then? Let us know

Edited by Spiderman (25 Mar 2024 9.00am)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 9.07am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can you provide your list of reports that do count?

No. Only actually seeing the discussion in full in its context could provide an ability to reach an objective assessment. Any kind of report is liable to miss something or include bias. So I am always sceptical.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 9.22am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Never seen it, if you won’t accept the statement scientific facts , how about evidence based care for children? Unless you think giving children puberty blockers is acceptable?. So the Mail never print anything truthful? Who does then? Let us know

Edited by Spiderman (25 Mar 2024 9.00am)

It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive.

I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 25 Mar 24 10.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We just don’t have them “all the time”!

It’s undoubtedly true that collectively journalists tend to be more socially aware than others and that this tends to mean they are more likely to hold left of centre views than right.

That’s just the nature of the profession, what it requires and what it brings. It doesn’t mean that professionals cannot be professional in their business life.

My friend who worked for both the Express and the Mail was always a socialist in his personal life but a consummate professional in his business life.

Yup, and a mate of mine writes for the M-on-S and says the same.

The leader writers are all ex public school and of the colour of the paper. But the actual journos are all red to the core.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Mar 24 10.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive.

I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us.

CBBC presenter, is that not BBC?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 11.32am

Originally posted by Spiderman

CBBC presenter, is that not BBC?

It is. I was confusing two stories. Apologies.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 24 11.37am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wasn’t actually the BBC, but ITV. I don’t trust the Mail at all. It approaches every story with its own agenda in mind and not the intention of providing a truthful account and allowing the reader to reach their own conclusions. Much of the commercial media are like that but the Mail is especially bad. Whose truthful? As what’s true, or not, is often a matter of opinion that’s going to vary between the receiver. The better question is who is more reliably objective. For me they are the public service providers. Those free of the profit motive.

I don’t know enough about any medical dangers involved in puberty blockers so from a purely scientific view don’t have an opinion. From the emotional and personal view of anyone suffering from gender dysphoria I defer to the professionals involved. They are the experts. Not us.

That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Mar 24 11.48am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council.

Good post. Although I won’t hold my breath about them being let go

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 11.48am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

That's fine then as puberty blockers are banned on the NHS now, and in many countries. We still get the lunatic fringes letting off smoke bombs and intimidating more qualified medical professionals, however, for their ideology. I suspect they will be quietly let go by the BBC and rather less quietly referred to the medical council. They seem to be advocating for something that at best is not considered best practice, at worst is actually physically and mentally harmful. I expect at least a concerned Mail reader will have written a letter to the medical council.

Unfortunately, lunatic fringes exist. Off both the left, right and highly motivated. That's why the cool heads of the medical council, and related organisations, exist. To take the heat out and look only at the facts.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Mar 24 11.56am

Originally posted by silvertop

Yup, and a mate of mine writes for the M-on-S and says the same.

The leader writers are all ex public school and of the colour of the paper. But the actual journos are all red to the core.

Who's it fooling though?

It's been easy to see that the Mail and Express are essentially whatever that era of Tory party thinks.....They skipped to social liberal without missing a beat in time with the Tories themselves.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 02 Apr 24 6.23pm

Anyone see the news yesterday where they interviewed a rather large Lady who complained she needed help with her bills and that she had to resort to food banks.
Maybe if she stopped eating so much then she might have enough money!
Don't mean to be nasty but only on the BBC!

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 03 Apr 24 10.49am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Anyone see the news yesterday where they interviewed a rather large Lady who complained she needed help with her bills and that she had to resort to food banks.
Maybe if she stopped eating so much then she might have enough money!
Don't mean to be nasty but only on the BBC!

...Or Ch4 or any other broadcaster.

There are many reasons to attack the BBC - principal among them being the unique public funding of a diminishing and increasingly irrelevant entity - but most of the frothing twaddle I read on here is the ranting from the right wing press about what is more likely than not Equality Act compliance.

Last night I started watching This Town and think it is pretty good. The BBC still has something to offer, even though most of its drama output has become an irritating exercise in inclusivity. Let it get bought out by one of the US giants and allow it to flourish in Streaming Land (e.g. Doctor Who now co-owned by Disney).

Just please revoke the regulation that tied it to the Equality Act (an imported EU law) and please leave us R3, R4, 6Music and (above all) the World Service. All their other channels are either not listened to or can be replicated in the commercial world (R2 for instance is still hugely popular and would do fine with ad breaks).

I am positive the public would happily fund that limited output given we are talking £buttons in the scheme of things. It is too important an aspect of this country's culture to just dump.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Apr 24 7.43am

The BBC asks Why are we so ill?

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The article list a number of reasons for the growing number of people who are signed off sick. I am not going to argue against those I assume that they are valid reasons.

However as usual the BBC chooses to omit facts that they find inconvenient.

Nowhere in this article is there a mention of benefit fraud.

I am not saying that the whole article should be about that but you would at least expect to have one small paragraph mentioning it as a factor.

The number of people suffering from illnesses which cannot medically be proved has rocketed e.g. ADHD. The increase in the sick has gone up sharply since COVID as some people got used to free money.

[Link]

Go on social media and there are tons of videos telling you how easy it is to get on the sick by conning your GP. Not that I am blaming the GPs, imagine refusing to sign off someone who claims to be depressed who later kills themselves. It's just not worth the risk even if you do suspect that the patient is lying.

Anyway well done BBC another skewed article.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 24 8.11am

Originally posted by Badger11

The BBC asks Why are we so ill?

[Link]

The article list a number of reasons for the growing number of people who are signed off sick. I am not going to argue against those I assume that they are valid reasons.

However as usual the BBC chooses to omit facts that they find inconvenient.

Nowhere in this article is there a mention of benefit fraud.

I am not saying that the whole article should be about that but you would at least expect to have one small paragraph mentioning it as a factor.

The number of people suffering from illnesses which cannot medically be proved has rocketed e.g. ADHD. The increase in the sick has gone up sharply since COVID as some people got used to free money.

[Link]

Go on social media and there are tons of videos telling you how easy it is to get on the sick by conning your GP. Not that I am blaming the GPs, imagine refusing to sign off someone who claims to be depressed who later kills themselves. It's just not worth the risk even if you do suspect that the patient is lying.

Anyway well done BBC another skewed article.

Just because if someone else was asked to write an article on the same subject doesn’t mean the BBC’s is “skewed”!

This is the problem with these constant attacks on the BBC. They come from a different perspective. One which itself has a strong bias. The BBC is charged to look at things from a neutral viewpoint and its output is always going to be at odds with those whose are either on the left or the right.

We can all disagree with what any writer says, decides is relevant or more or less important. They are also constrained by the space allocated to them, rewriting by sub editors and editors and the lawyer’s pen.

So whilst others may consider that benefit fraud should have been at the heart of the article, whoever wrote this decided this piece would not include it. Not because of any inconvenience. Just a different approach.

Benefit fraud is a big and important subject that deserves, and gets, discussed. In my own opinion not nearly enough though. I believe it’s a terrible blight on modern society that needs strong attention. That though doesn’t mean I think the BBC’s article on the level of sickness should be attacked. I think it’s their article and a useful contribution to the national debate.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 21 Apr 24 8.16am

I wonder how many BBC employees are/have been on sick leave. Huw Edwards ?

 


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becky Flag over the moon 21 Apr 24 8.21am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I wonder how many BBC employees are/have been on sick leave. Huw Edwards ?

Didn't Martin Bashir have a good run too, after the critisim of the 'Diana' interview?

A great way to get 'retired' on medical grounds without losing that gold plated pension we all contribute to.

Edited by becky (21 Apr 2024 8.22am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 24 8.36am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I wonder how many BBC employees are/have been on sick leave. Huw Edwards ?

Leaving aside the situation of any one individual the BBC is a big employer operating within the UK. It is therefore inevitably impacted by the prevailing attitudes and the benefit culture that has regrettably developed in recent years. Something I believe needs urgent attention, both for the benefit of us all and those taking advantage of it.

Those who are genuinely unable to work because of long term sickness need to be supported adequately. However, they are much smaller in number than those who claim they are. In my opinion. With the ability of home working and the internet skills that most now possess most can do something. If you can write comments on a football forum and use your voice then you can work. So you should.

 


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