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The Johnson/Dyson exchange was months ago, not in the midst of a cronyism scandal. Talking of which, if Cameron did not break any rules then the rules are wrong. This is not a partisan problem, plenty of senior ex Labour figures are just as deep into the lobbying trough. This needs to be addressed cross party. At least the scandal of European jobs for the boys has gone but UK taxpayer still paying huge amounts into EU pension pots. The Kinnock family took millions from the EU coffers. Originally posted by silvertop
I am not saying any tax rules were broken. I am saying you don't give your mate an assurance that he will be free feom tax implications as PM even if he won't be. Not in the midst of a cronyism scandal anyway. Dyson should have gone to his own advisers like.everyone else. And what if tax roles were broken? Dyson would have his personal assurance from his friend that he can side step rhe Rules that everyone else has to.follow.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The Johnson/Dyson exchange was months ago, not in the midst of a cronyism scandal. Talking of which, if Cameron did not break any rules then the rules are wrong. This is not a partisan problem, plenty of senior ex Labour figures are just as deep into the lobbying trough. This needs to be addressed cross party. At least the scandal of European jobs for the boys has gone but UK taxpayer still paying huge amounts into EU pension pots. The Kinnock family took millions from the EU coffers. In around 2009 I was speaking to a Tory opposition MP's researcher. He was saying at the time that politics was just getting interesting as the lobbiest were starting to get in touch with opposition MP's. For the first time in over a decade lobbying companies thought they had a chance of getting in power. I suspect, the real issue for any opposition isn't cronyism or corruption. Its that lobbiest only talk to decision makers or potential decision makers. With Labour in the state it is currently in, no-one is even going to waste time lobbying them. That means no one is coming to them with fresh innovative ideas they can challenge the government with. That just makes Labour's rut harder to climb out of. In 10 years or so, the Tories will be saying they same about a Labour Government.
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Originally posted by jeeagles
1) In that time delivery would have been delayed and people could have died unnecessarily. 2) I doubt they are mates. The UK government was securing services from Dyson PLC. The government was acting as the client and Dyson was seeking clarification that this would not count towards the 90day residency rule for some of his staff as it was an emergency and the exceptional circumstances should kick in. The head of the client organisation was assisting in expediting the execution of the contract. It takes someone with particular clout from government to go to a world leader in manufacturing to ask them to turn all their R&D effort away from its main business, hault its lucrative vacuum manufacturing process and direct its huge capability towards something its never made before on speculation. A cold call contact from a mediocre civil servant would have not gained the same result. Edited by jeeagles (22 Apr 2021 3.22pm) This reply is testament to the fact that if you like someone you will seek to justify anything. Cummings wouldn't have leaked if there was nothing wrong.
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Originally posted by silvertop
This reply is testament to the fact that if you like someone you will seek to justify anything. Cummings wouldn't have leaked if there was nothing wrong. Ah some Cummings is to be believed now, funny a few months ago the public has a different opinion on his truthfulness.
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Starmer is the best Edited by ASCPFC (25 Apr 2021 1.31am)
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Starmer is someone who makes Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock look like legendary Labour leaders. Well done Sir Keir, what a guy.
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
It just shouldn't be allowed to happen. Westland helicopters and Dennis Thatcher's arms dealing springs to mind.
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Fair call!
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Originally posted by Badger11
Ah some Cummings is to be believed now, funny a few months ago the public has a different opinion on his truthfulness. Leaking is not producing. No-one has challenged the authenticity of what he has leaked.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am no fan of Johnson as I think he is an opportunist who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon as his vehicle to the door of No 10 and for that he will never be forgiven, either by me, or ultimately by history. However, I have to wonder what the tabloid stories would have been had he refused Dyson's request, or even to have heard it. If Dyson had then just walked away citing a lack of co-operation and understanding from HMG at a time of national crisis I suspect the press would have been all over Johnson. There were always going to be some "afters" as a result of having to make instant decisions. There were always going to be mistakes made. There were always going to be the unscrupulous who put themselves ahead of the country. Hindsight doesn't add much to this situation, as it never does. Overall I think the Government, and the whole country, have behaved admirably throughout this. Of course, we need an enquiry to see what could have been done better so we are more prepared the next time. Any real illegality needs to be identified and prosecuted. But not honest mistakes or shortcuts which were genuinely intended for the public good. It would have been better had he come back and said something like: obviously I can't give the personal assurance you seek, but HMPG have confirmed that... but you had better check with your own advisers just to be on the safe side. Simply stating what's law without the appearance of an executive bypass and he would not now be in hot water.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am no fan of Johnson as I think he is an opportunist who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon as his vehicle to the door of No 10 and for that he will never be forgiven, either by me, or ultimately by history. However, I have to wonder what the tabloid stories would have been had he refused Dyson's request, or even to have heard it. If Dyson had then just walked away citing a lack of co-operation and understanding from HMG at a time of national crisis I suspect the press would have been all over Johnson. There were always going to be some "afters" as a result of having to make instant decisions. There were always going to be mistakes made. There were always going to be the unscrupulous who put themselves ahead of the country. Hindsight doesn't add much to this situation, as it never does. Overall I think the Government, and the whole country, have behaved admirably throughout this. Of course, we need an enquiry to see what could have been done better so we are more prepared the next time. Any real illegality needs to be identified and prosecuted. But not honest mistakes or shortcuts which were genuinely intended for the public good. If you spend over 90 days in the UK each year, you then have to pay tax to HMRC, unless there are exceptional circumstances - like a funeral or assistance with a global pandemic. All Johnson did was provide assurance that this would be treated as exceptional circumstances. Waiting for assurances from HMRC could have taken forever with no guarantee of them view Covid19 as exceptional. There's going to be plenty of displaced people having the same argument with the taxman in the coming months.
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This is a fair summary. Labour just throwing out sound bytes on this particular issues. The hypocrisy of Angela Rayner and her ilk is just a broken record. It's all irrelevant until the next Genral Election. Don't see Labour spewing about the Len McCluskey scandal.
Disappointing Johnson appears to be unable to do things that don't attract criticism of his integrity.
Originally posted by jeeagles
If you spend over 90 days in the UK each year, you then have to pay tax to HMRC, unless there are exceptional circumstances - like a funeral or assistance with a global pandemic. All Johnson did was provide assurance that this would be treated as exceptional circumstances. Waiting for assurances from HMRC could have taken forever with no guarantee of them view Covid19 as exceptional. There's going to be plenty of displaced people having the same argument with the taxman in the coming months.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
BJ outflanking Sir Keir in serial dumbness. Why would you accept a donation from some Lord to have your flat done up. You just can't do that sort of thing in his position. Cue desperate tories saying it is above board.
Just watching Daily Politics. It is quite obvious Labour have no policies and actually can’t disagree with anything the Government are doing, as virtually every question was regarding the Downing Street flat. If I was you Steely I would me more concerned as to the lack of any direction the Labour Party have.
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