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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Apr 21 6.10am

The Johnson/Dyson exchange was months ago, not in the midst of a cronyism scandal.

Talking of which, if Cameron did not break any rules then the rules are wrong. This is not a partisan problem, plenty of senior ex Labour figures are just as deep into the lobbying trough.

This needs to be addressed cross party.

At least the scandal of European jobs for the boys has gone but UK taxpayer still paying huge amounts into EU pension pots.

The Kinnock family took millions from the EU coffers.


Originally posted by silvertop

I am not saying any tax rules were broken. I am saying you don't give your mate an assurance that he will be free feom tax implications as PM even if he won't be. Not in the midst of a cronyism scandal anyway.

Dyson should have gone to his own advisers like.everyone else.

And what if tax roles were broken? Dyson would have his personal assurance from his friend that he can side step rhe Rules that everyone else has to.follow.


It's not about breaking rule its about perception and public confidence in a system of rules.that bind us all

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

jeeagles Flag 23 Apr 21 12.31pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

The Johnson/Dyson exchange was months ago, not in the midst of a cronyism scandal.

Talking of which, if Cameron did not break any rules then the rules are wrong. This is not a partisan problem, plenty of senior ex Labour figures are just as deep into the lobbying trough.

This needs to be addressed cross party.

At least the scandal of European jobs for the boys has gone but UK taxpayer still paying huge amounts into EU pension pots.

The Kinnock family took millions from the EU coffers.

In around 2009 I was speaking to a Tory opposition MP's researcher. He was saying at the time that politics was just getting interesting as the lobbiest were starting to get in touch with opposition MP's. For the first time in over a decade lobbying companies thought they had a chance of getting in power.

I suspect, the real issue for any opposition isn't cronyism or corruption. Its that lobbiest only talk to decision makers or potential decision makers.

With Labour in the state it is currently in, no-one is even going to waste time lobbying them.

That means no one is coming to them with fresh innovative ideas they can challenge the government with.

That just makes Labour's rut harder to climb out of.

In 10 years or so, the Tories will be saying they same about a Labour Government.

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Apr 21 11.54pm

So in summary your view is the Labour party will not have any innovative ideas unless they are bought to them by third parties. Looking at the current crop of Labour " talent " I would 100% agree.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

silvertop Flag Portishead 24 Apr 21 10.00am

Originally posted by jeeagles

1) In that time delivery would have been delayed and people could have died unnecessarily.

2) I doubt they are mates. The UK government was securing services from Dyson PLC. The government was acting as the client and Dyson was seeking clarification that this would not count towards the 90day residency rule for some of his staff as it was an emergency and the exceptional circumstances should kick in. The head of the client organisation was assisting in expediting the execution of the contract.

It takes someone with particular clout from government to go to a world leader in manufacturing to ask them to turn all their R&D effort away from its main business, hault its lucrative vacuum manufacturing process and direct its huge capability towards something its never made before on speculation. A cold call contact from a mediocre civil servant would have not gained the same result.

Edited by jeeagles (22 Apr 2021 3.22pm)

This reply is testament to the fact that if you like someone you will seek to justify anything.

Cummings wouldn't have leaked if there was nothing wrong.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Apr 21 10.03am

Originally posted by silvertop

This reply is testament to the fact that if you like someone you will seek to justify anything.

Cummings wouldn't have leaked if there was nothing wrong.

Ah some Cummings is to be believed now, funny a few months ago the public has a different opinion on his truthfulness.

 


One more point

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Apr 21 1.30am

Starmer is the best

Edited by ASCPFC (25 Apr 2021 1.31am)

 


Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Apr 21 1.31am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Starmer is someone who makes Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock look like legendary Labour leaders. Well done Sir Keir, what a guy.

 


Red and Blue Army!

The Dolphin Flag 25 Apr 21 8.46am

It just shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Many politicians cross party and many in Whitehall are as bad as each other.
I have no idea how a top civil servant can have second job which could sway him or her On matters of national importance but it is allowed.
Thatcher - like or hate her - was probably the last clean PM - dreadful state of affairs.
As for Whitehall - too many corrupt ones in there - just sack the lot.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Apr 21 11.15am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It just shouldn't be allowed to happen.
Many politicians cross party and many in Whitehall are as bad as each other.
I have no idea how a top civil servant can have second job which could sway him or her On matters of national importance but it is allowed.
Thatcher - like or hate her - was probably the last clean PM - dreadful state of affairs.
As for Whitehall - too many corrupt ones in there - just sack the lot.

Westland helicopters and Dennis Thatcher's arms dealing springs to mind.

 


Red and Blue Army!

The Dolphin Flag 25 Apr 21 10.17pm

Fair call!
Westland was Heseltine?
I don't remember Denis's misdemeanour?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Apr 21 10.56pm

I am no fan of Johnson as I think he is an opportunist who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon as his vehicle to the door of No 10 and for that he will never be forgiven, either by me, or ultimately by history.

However, I have to wonder what the tabloid stories would have been had he refused Dyson's request, or even to have heard it.

If Dyson had then just walked away citing a lack of co-operation and understanding from HMG at a time of national crisis I suspect the press would have been all over Johnson.

There were always going to be some "afters" as a result of having to make instant decisions. There were always going to be mistakes made. There were always going to be the unscrupulous who put themselves ahead of the country. Hindsight doesn't add much to this situation, as it never does.

Overall I think the Government, and the whole country, have behaved admirably throughout this. Of course, we need an enquiry to see what could have been done better so we are more prepared the next time. Any real illegality needs to be identified and prosecuted. But not honest mistakes or shortcuts which were genuinely intended for the public good.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 26 Apr 21 11.48am

Originally posted by Badger11

Ah some Cummings is to be believed now, funny a few months ago the public has a different opinion on his truthfulness.

Leaking is not producing. No-one has challenged the authenticity of what he has leaked.

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 26 Apr 21 11.53am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am no fan of Johnson as I think he is an opportunist who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon as his vehicle to the door of No 10 and for that he will never be forgiven, either by me, or ultimately by history.

However, I have to wonder what the tabloid stories would have been had he refused Dyson's request, or even to have heard it.

If Dyson had then just walked away citing a lack of co-operation and understanding from HMG at a time of national crisis I suspect the press would have been all over Johnson.

There were always going to be some "afters" as a result of having to make instant decisions. There were always going to be mistakes made. There were always going to be the unscrupulous who put themselves ahead of the country. Hindsight doesn't add much to this situation, as it never does.

Overall I think the Government, and the whole country, have behaved admirably throughout this. Of course, we need an enquiry to see what could have been done better so we are more prepared the next time. Any real illegality needs to be identified and prosecuted. But not honest mistakes or shortcuts which were genuinely intended for the public good.

It would have been better had he come back and said something like: obviously I can't give the personal assurance you seek, but HMPG have confirmed that... but you had better check with your own advisers just to be on the safe side.

Simply stating what's law without the appearance of an executive bypass and he would not now be in hot water.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Apr 21 12.35pm

Starmer's position is becoming more difficult every minute, due to his foolish lack of judgement.

The party faithful want him to go after Johnson's brexit deal, which they as an opposition are bound to do, or what is the point if you cannot oppose a crap deal on behalf of the country.

He whipped them to approve it when the government did not even need it, now he is faced with actually opposing he cannot do it without facing his own hypocrisy.

Not the sort of person you would associate with being a bit of a t**t, but there it is.


 

Matov Flag 26 Apr 21 1.05pm

Hartlepool is now make or break for him. Elements of the Left are actively seeking a Labour defeat in the by-election. All sorts of s*** going down up there at the moment.

If Labour fail to hold it, then I reckon it's odds on that there will be a serious attempt to bring him down. Possibly the TU's issuing an ultimatum around cutting off funding if he is not replaced.

I cannot see Labour losing but if it does...wow. Major ructions to follow.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

fromtherope Flag In the woods of deepest Surrey 26 Apr 21 4.30pm

May have been commented on earlier but not read all comments. I seem to recall during Labour's short reigns of power in the 1970s the door to number 10 was off its hinges with the comings and goings of the unions and their communist Marxist backed leaders, Wilson's famous beer and sandwich sessions.

Surely that was lobbying as well?

 


I am enjoying being back at Selhurst and having a beer with my mates just like we have done for the past 40 years. Through Thick and thin we stick with our club. Not chairman, players or managers, OUR CLUB!

jeeagles Flag 26 Apr 21 6.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am no fan of Johnson as I think he is an opportunist who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon as his vehicle to the door of No 10 and for that he will never be forgiven, either by me, or ultimately by history.

However, I have to wonder what the tabloid stories would have been had he refused Dyson's request, or even to have heard it.

If Dyson had then just walked away citing a lack of co-operation and understanding from HMG at a time of national crisis I suspect the press would have been all over Johnson.

There were always going to be some "afters" as a result of having to make instant decisions. There were always going to be mistakes made. There were always going to be the unscrupulous who put themselves ahead of the country. Hindsight doesn't add much to this situation, as it never does.

Overall I think the Government, and the whole country, have behaved admirably throughout this. Of course, we need an enquiry to see what could have been done better so we are more prepared the next time. Any real illegality needs to be identified and prosecuted. But not honest mistakes or shortcuts which were genuinely intended for the public good.

If you spend over 90 days in the UK each year, you then have to pay tax to HMRC, unless there are exceptional circumstances - like a funeral or assistance with a global pandemic.

All Johnson did was provide assurance that this would be treated as exceptional circumstances. Waiting for assurances from HMRC could have taken forever with no guarantee of them view Covid19 as exceptional.

There's going to be plenty of displaced people having the same argument with the taxman in the coming months.

 

HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Apr 21 2.30am

This is a fair summary.

Labour just throwing out sound bytes on this particular issues.

The hypocrisy of Angela Rayner and her ilk is just a broken record.

It's all irrelevant until the next Genral Election.

Don't see Labour spewing about the Len McCluskey scandal.


In general I am happy the Govt has a large majority and is likely to actually spend up North to fulfil some of the levelling up promises.

Disappointing Johnson appears to be unable to do things that don't attract criticism of his integrity.


Don't see him as a long term PM now Brexit is done.

Originally posted by jeeagles

If you spend over 90 days in the UK each year, you then have to pay tax to HMRC, unless there are exceptional circumstances - like a funeral or assistance with a global pandemic.

All Johnson did was provide assurance that this would be treated as exceptional circumstances. Waiting for assurances from HMRC could have taken forever with no guarantee of them view Covid19 as exceptional.

There's going to be plenty of displaced people having the same argument with the taxman in the coming months.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Apr 21 12.32pm

BJ outflanking Sir Keir in serial dumbness.

Why would you accept a donation from some Lord to have your flat done up.

You just can't do that sort of thing in his position.

Cue desperate tories saying it is above board.


 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Apr 21 12.37pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

BJ outflanking Sir Keir in serial dumbness.

Why would you accept a donation from some Lord to have your flat done up.

You just can't do that sort of thing in his position.

Cue desperate tories saying it is above board.


Just watching Daily Politics. It is quite obvious Labour have no policies and actually can’t disagree with anything the Government are doing, as virtually every question was regarding the Downing Street flat. If I was you Steely I would me more concerned as to the lack of any direction the Labour Party have.
Tony Blair spent £350,000 of taxpayers money on the same flat. Presumably you were outraged by that Steely

 

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