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Palace BANANA Flag Ringmer, Lewes, East Sussex 23 Oct 20 10.01am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The reality is it wouldn't take a huge change in performances for many of us to be at least satisfied, if maybe not happy. We are fortunate that at least we have the points on the board even if the last two performances have been dross. I do genuinely think if PvA comes back in we will suddenly start being more attacking again. I think Mitchell has done well, but he does not drive forward like PvA does and he does not seem as quick. Also, with PvA in the team Roy might be happier to play Eze. Similarly, I do also wonder if Clyne might start challenging Ward who has done much better than I expected this season, but who again doesn't offer that much going forward and is slow. Again maybe harsh, but I would also switch McArthur for Luka. I think having Jairo alongside him would lift his game, similar to when Cabaye was alongside him. I love McArthur but in a midfield two I don't think we see the best of him.

So they are my thoughts. I hope and expect to see some changes this weekend as the players need a kick up the bum too.

Good post TL but personally I don't blame the players or their performances.. yes sometimes their passing could be a lot better but the tactics of two lines of defence that seem to be marking space and not closing down the opposition with no attacking intent is down to Roy.. two games without a single shot on target apart from the penalty.. no wonder our fans are getting p***ed off with watching this dross.. I've supported our team since the late 60's, travelled all over the country to follow them like many others, and I've never felt like giving up watching our boys before (apart from when that arrogant tw*tt Mullery was manager) but at this moment in time I have to admit I've had enough and don't enjoy watching them at all, which I never thought would be the case.. love our club, but can't stand the cr*p being served up right now and with Roy saying that he's pleased with the performance and disappointed that we dropped two points it reinforces that these tactics look like they will be continuing.. we didn't deserve anything from the game, we were p*ss poor due to Roy's "wonderful" defensive tactics which are sh*te to watch.. not a shot on target in 180+ minutes.. just renewed my Gold Membership in September, I wished I hadn't..

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 20 10.17am

Originally posted by Palace BANANA

Good post TL but personally I don't blame the players or their performances.. yes sometimes their passing could be a lot better but the tactics of two lines of defence that seem to be marking space and not closing down the opposition with no attacking intent is down to Roy.. two games without a single shot on target apart from the penalty.. no wonder our fans are getting p***ed off with watching this dross.. I've supported our team since the late 60's, travelled all over the country to follow them like many others, and I've never felt like giving up watching our boys before (apart from when that arrogant tw*tt Mullery was manager) but at this moment in time I have to admit I've had enough and don't enjoy watching them at all, which I never thought would be the case.. love our club, but can't stand the cr*p being served up right now and with Roy saying that he's pleased with the performance and disappointed that we dropped two points it reinforces that these tactics look like they will be continuing.. we didn't deserve anything from the game, we were p*ss poor due to Roy's "wonderful" defensive tactics which are sh*te to watch.. not a shot on target in 180+ minutes.. just renewed my Gold Membership in September, I wished I hadn't..

I concur with these sentiments except I never considered abandoning my support during the Mullery era!

I have also supported the club since the 60s and have travelled the length and breadth of the country supporting our team.
At the present time I don't even look forward to a game at Selhurst Park as we are an awful watch.I never ever envisaged this situation occurring.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 23 Oct 20 10.24am

Originally posted by Willo

I concur with these sentiments except I never considered abandoning my support during the Mullery era!

I have also supported the club since the 60s and have travelled the length and breadth of the country supporting our team.
At the present time I don't even look forward to a game at Selhurst Park as we are an awful watch.I never ever envisaged this situation occurring.

And to think that SP fantasized about a 34000 stadium... Back to the drawing board.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 20 10.30am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

And to think that SP fantasized about a 34000 stadium... Back to the drawing board.

It seems an eternity since the illustration of the proposed new stand was revealed to us supporters in a blaze of publicity.

All gone rather quiet - perhaps we are still negotiating with Sainsbury's over that sliver of land in the car park.

Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2020 10.38am)

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 23 Oct 20 11.26am

Highlights of the 5-3 victory over Bournemouth popped up on the Palace page on Facebook; quite remarkable seeing so many Palace players in the opposition half! It wasn't so long ago and it does make one wonder what has happened along the way. Well actually we know don't we: Hodgson is on the slide - after the initial zap of defensive organisation that he brings first season there is not a lot else after but a gradual decline to what we saw at the end of last season and most recently with one attempt on goal in two games, yet he has the sauce to say we defended well / strongest squad etc etc!
It's only a matter of time.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Oct 20 11.40am

Originally posted by Joseph Paxton

So, Cahill comes back from being sidelined for 4 months with a hamstring injury to play alongside a player he has never partnered in a competitive match before and you think playing defensively with defensive mids covering for them was the wrong tactic and we should have been playing for box to box offence and all out domination - against our greatest rivals?

Maybe playing FIFA mate but the realpolitik ain't so.


I cannot see anything in my earlier post where I said:
1. we should have played box to box offence and all out domination.
2. we shouldn't have played with two defensive midfielders against Brighton.

As for Cahill, he's experienced enough to slot in with any new CB partner and I would be surprised if Roy didn't have him and Kouyate practising together in the week before the match. In any event, Roy prides himself that every player knows what is expected of him in the position he will be asked to play in the system.

We are quite capable of showing attacking intent with 2 DMs (we did so against both Man U and Everton). Unfortunately, imo, we played anti-football against Brighton, which was a retrograde step.

Finally, I don't play FIFA or any other of those types of games, much preferring to watch the real thing and see how different teams set about their matches.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 23 Oct 20 3.14pm

Originally posted by Palace BANANA

Good post TL but personally I don't blame the players or their performances.. yes sometimes their passing could be a lot better but the tactics of two lines of defence that seem to be marking space and not closing down the opposition with no attacking intent is down to Roy.. two games without a single shot on target apart from the penalty.. no wonder our fans are getting p***ed off with watching this dross.. I've supported our team since the late 60's, travelled all over the country to follow them like many others, and I've never felt like giving up watching our boys before (apart from when that arrogant tw*tt Mullery was manager) but at this moment in time I have to admit I've had enough and don't enjoy watching them at all, which I never thought would be the case.. love our club, but can't stand the cr*p being served up right now and with Roy saying that he's pleased with the performance and disappointed that we dropped two points it reinforces that these tactics look like they will be continuing.. we didn't deserve anything from the game, we were p*ss poor due to Roy's "wonderful" defensive tactics which are sh*te to watch.. not a shot on target in 180+ minutes.. just renewed my Gold Membership in September, I wished I hadn't..

Don't get me wrong, I agree that right now is probably about as dull as I remember us playing (although during our last stint in the Championship there were some really bland seasons with very average players), especially given we actually have players capable of entertaining in the squad.

One very noticeable, and worrying thing, about the Brighton game was that despite it being completely ineffective, nearly every goal kick and kick from Vicente was aimed at Schlupp on the left. I understand the idea was to avoid the press, but all it did was result in us losing possession further up the pitch. We had Jairo who is more than capable of collecting the ball from defence and moving it forward, so it was baffling to me. I really hope this tactic does not become a mainstay.

 

Jacey Flag 23 Oct 20 3.25pm

Originally posted by Willo

I would suspect that the manager's position hasn't come into any consideration whatsoever and as far as I am concerned it is highly chimerical and ludicrous to believe that he will be removed from his position should we lose against Fulham.

Hodsgon has been entrusted with an extended contract, the season is in his infancy we haven't lost all games and getting cut adrift from the pack.

I re-iterate, Hodgson will be with us for the foreseeable future.Should we secure survival and he wishes to continue for another season,there is every chance his contract will be extended yet again.I stress this is a personal view and not something I have heard !!

Believe your assumptions are correct as Roy, in all
probability,has a simple brief to keep us in the PL by whatever means he has at his disposal.
Will be very ugly,negative and shows the lack of any ambition to go forward as a club until wealthy buyers are found and are willing to keep SP at the helm.

 

Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 23 Oct 20 4.36pm

Originally posted by Jacey

Believe your assumptions are correct as Roy, in all
probability,has a simple brief to keep us in the PL by whatever means he has at his disposal.
Will be very ugly,negative and shows the lack of any ambition to go forward as a club until wealthy buyers are found and are willing to keep SP at the helm.

How utterly depressing.

 


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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 23 Oct 20 5.00pm

I am not convinced Steve Parish would tolerate a full season of the kind of football we saw in the last 2 games.

Defensive solidity is to be praised. Zero plan to attack i think will draw the chairman's ire.

 


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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Oct 20 6.09pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

I am not convinced Steve Parish would tolerate a full season of the kind of football we saw in the last 2 games.

Defensive solidity is to be praised. Zero plan to attack i think will draw the chairman's ire.


It may already have done given Roy's pre-match interview today in which he stated that last week wasn't good enough on the attacking front and the team would be looking to do better tomorrow. Has SP had a word, I wonder, because Roy's statement today was a far cry from his post-match interview last week?

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Oct 20 8.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

I go back to what I have already posted (I am sounding like Graeme Souness!), managers are not removed of their duties after 4 games purely on results.

But there are always exceptions to the rule willo.

 

Davidgs32 Flag Sutton 23 Oct 20 9.46pm

If tomorrow and the game after and the game after are repeats of the Brighton game then the Palace coaching team are so way off the mark it does not take football geniuses to understand we need a whole new management set up. A hard working team and the Macarther way is still important but we can normally get the ball back quite easily we need to make the other team work harder to get it back. Come on Palace repeat the way we played at United tomorrow.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Oct 20 9.46pm

Originally posted by Willo

I go back to what I have already posted (I am sounding like Graeme Souness!), managers are not removed of their duties after 4 games purely on results.


Unless their name is Frank de Boer?

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Oct 20 9.57pm

Originally posted by doombear


Unless their name is Frank de Boer?

I remember the centre back set up with the 19yr old untried Fosu-Mensah and Riedewald either side of Scott Dann against Huddersfield in the curtain raiser and a declining Puncheon in front of them.

Never thought I'd be the kind of fan that wanted a manager sacked after one game but Parish gave him three more games than he deserved IMO.

Messed things up at Inter before us and Atlanta after.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (23 Oct 2020 10.01pm)

 

deleted9 Flag 23 Oct 20 10.23pm

Just watched the Leeds v Villa game. Leeds fans are lucky to have a manager/coaching team in Bielsa and co. They play like a top 4 team; fearless, ferocious attacking play combined with defensive solidity.

I’ve thus far been a Hodgson fan. Over the last 3 years, he’s stabilised us, carried us through a period of time in which we’ve spent very little money and coached an ageing, injury stricken squad to be resolute and finely tuned according to the skill set.

HOWEVER, failure to beat Fulham in a dominant manner without showing a significant attacking improvement in comparison to last week may well start to tip me over into the Hodgson OUT camp.

I’m confused as I’m safe in the knowledge that he’ll keep us up but scared we might have another ‘de boer’ if we try and change our style. My mindset is changing though.Why should just keeping us up be good enough? Why can’t he get more out of our squad? We have dynamic talent combined with resolute, well-drilled defenders. We should be putting on an improved performance.

Beat Fulham convincingly and all is forgiven.

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Oct 20 10.34pm

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

Just watched the Leeds v Villa game. Leeds fans are lucky to have a manager/coaching team in Bielsa and co. They play like a top 4 team; fearless, ferocious attacking play combined with defensive solidity.

I’ve thus far been a Hodgson fan. Over the last 3 years, he’s stabilised us, carried us through a period of time in which we’ve spent very little money and coached an ageing, injury stricken squad to be resolute and finely tuned according to the skill set.

HOWEVER, failure to beat Fulham in a dominant manner without showing a significant attacking improvement in comparison to last week may well start to tip me over into the Hodgson OUT camp.

I’m confused as I’m safe in the knowledge that he’ll keep us up but scared we might have another ‘de boer’ if we try and change our style. My mindset is changing though.Why should just keeping us up be good enough? Why can’t he get more out of our squad? We have dynamic talent combined with resolute, well-drilled defenders. We should be putting on an improved performance.

Beat Fulham convincingly and all is forgiven.

There were some very bold predictions at the end of last season from fans on here about how good Tyrick Mitchell is and complaints that Roy can only play with three defensive midfield players.

I don't like the last couple of performances but central midfield options who don't score goals, full backs who can't attack and a rotation of 30+ yr old centre backs doesn't help to get you playing in the opposition half.

Edited by Rachid Rachid Rachid (23 Oct 2020 10.41pm)

 

redshift Flag Toronto 23 Oct 20 10.41pm

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

Just watched the Leeds v Villa game. Leeds fans are lucky to have a manager/coaching team in Bielsa and co. They play like a top 4 team; fearless, ferocious attacking play combined with defensive solidity.

I’ve thus far been a Hodgson fan. Over the last 3 years, he’s stabilised us, carried us through a period of time in which we’ve spent very little money and coached an ageing, injury stricken squad to be resolute and finely tuned according to the skill set.

HOWEVER, failure to beat Fulham in a dominant manner without showing a significant attacking improvement in comparison to last week may well start to tip me over into the Hodgson OUT camp.

I’m confused as I’m safe in the knowledge that he’ll keep us up but scared we might have another ‘de boer’ if we try and change our style. My mindset is changing though.Why should just keeping us up be good enough? Why can’t he get more out of our squad? We have dynamic talent combined with resolute, well-drilled defenders. We should be putting on an improved performance.

Beat Fulham convincingly and all is forgiven.

That was a nice game to watch. One thing I took away was that Leeds has speed out the Wazoo. We have none. Our aging squad couldn't run down an old lady in a walker. That's the situation we're stuck in.

I think too this is why Roy is so concerned with shape and playing a box-based style. We just aren't fast enough to recover if we make a mistake. That's likely not changing any time soon since the players, like me, are getting older every day.

This is as always only my humble opinion.

 


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PatrickA Flag London 24 Oct 20 8.47am

Having watched Roy’s press conference from yesterday it would seem he’s either deluded or distorting events.
He was asked specifically if he was concerned about only one shot against Brighton.
He responded sarcastically that’s only a concern for ‘you guys (the media) or betting companies ‘ and was more interested in ‘creating havoc in the opposing penalty areas.’
He was giving the impression we were doing this even if only one shot was made.
The reality is that we’re around the bottom in the table of goals scored, chances created and efforts on goal and this has been the case for a long time.
Hardly ‘creating havoc in opposing penalty areas’ Roy.
We can pose more of a threat, as we did against Man Utd, and we looked better for it .
Just take the handbrake of when the opportunity is there in a game!

 

Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 24 Oct 20 10.44am

If we're so at risk, due to lack of pace, why not try a youngster or two?

WTF are our youth team for?

 


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