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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 09 Oct 20 9.12am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


Maybe so, But what constitutes a 'big club' - winning titles in the Past and having history?
Huddersfield Town won the league 3 times in the 20s, does that make them a 'big club'?

Clubs like Wolves and Newcastle are sleeping giants whereas we have absolutely no history at all and with the exception of one year 40 years ago we have always been perpetual strugglers in the top flight and if it hadn't been for the happy accident of having a young kid called Zaha in our academy we would have sunk without trace years ago

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 09 Oct 20 10.28am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

You've really got to start looking externally to see how other clubs are run.

Roy has two decent seasons. But he has 34 games to avoid relegation with what was possibly our best ever squad that season. FdB should have won the Huddersfield and Swansea games, Liverpool and Burnley away were free hits so we were only effectively 6 points behind where we needed to be. Not a miracle worker by any means. Pullis, Pardew and BFS took on the team from a much worse position with worse squads and finished higher.

CPFC2010 have sacked 4 managers in a decade. Burley, Pardew and Hodgson were given plenty of time. Warnock shouldn't really have had the job in the first place and we got Pardew in the next day. FdB was an unforeseeable disaster - he seem to be someone who said all the right things at interview then did the exact opposite. Holloway wasn't sacked and his initial resignation was rejected. We haven't treated managers badly at all.

Except Roy, that is, he came in has had little support in the transfer market for an aging team, that he largely inherited from previous Managers.He has not walked like other before him, because of lack of investment in the team, accepted 50mil transfer of one of our best young defenders in a long time without that money being ploughed back into the team. Despite this, he has kept us up for three years and by doing so, he has earned the club substantial income, this I suspect was his tasked brief from Parish. Now some want him to go, he deserves more respect than that. As I have said many times here you will be hard pressed to find a replacement whilst we have such a dysfunctional board, no manager who is any good and worth his sorts would want to come to a club, whilst the board will not invest in the long term future of the team.

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 09 Oct 20 11.15am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Except Roy, that is, he came in has had little support in the transfer market for an aging team, that he largely inherited from previous Managers.He has not walked like other before him, because of lack of investment in the team, accepted 50mil transfer of one of our best young defenders in a long time without that money being ploughed back into the team. Despite this, he has kept us up for three years and by doing so, he has earned the club substantial income, this I suspect was his tasked brief from Parish. Now some want him to go, he deserves more respect than that. As I have said many times here you will be hard pressed to find a replacement whilst we have such a dysfunctional board, no manager who is any good and worth his sorts would want to come to a club, whilst the board will not invest in the long term future of the team.

Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook unreservedly to a 73 year old manager, who realistically cannot have a long-term future here, to buy players that may well not suit the next incumbent. It's happened too many times before.

 


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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 09 Oct 20 11.26am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

We have had 9 Managers in the last ten years, 5 have been sacked if you include Holloway who left by mutual consent. Freedman left because he was expecting a better life at Bolton and both BFS and Pullis left because they were unhappy about lack of investment in the team. Roy came to our rescue three years ago after FdB with his expansive possession football nearly got us relegated before Christmas. Roy took over a team that was full of choices of other managers and improved our defensive ability and consequently saved us from the drop and has since installed stability that included our best ever PL points total of 49 points. The income Roy has earned the club by keeping us in the PL seems not to be appreciated by some, okay I accept that sometimes the football is a bit frustrating but staying in the PL is far more important for the club's future and you have to accept that the current squad are being played to the best of their ability and balance. We are lucky to still be in PL with the current squad and lets just hope that the board realise this before its too late, you have to invest to stay in this league and maintain the resale value of the club.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 Oct 20 11.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I think Roy is the 6th longest serving manager in the PL which says a lot about the game as he has only been with us 3 years.

Dyche
Klopp
Wilder
Pep
Santo
Roy

I think the average spell is around 2-3 years so we are no better or worse than the rest of the PL.

 


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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 09 Oct 20 1.10pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook unreservedly to a 73 year old manager, who realistically cannot have a long-term future here, to buy players that may well not suit the next incumbent. It's happened too many times before.


Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook FULL STOP

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 09 Oct 20 1.35pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

FdB with his expansive possession football nearly got us relegated before Christmas.

Bit of an exaggeration. FdB left us on 11th September. I suppose that, strictly speaking, that is, as you say, before Christmas.

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Online Flag 09 Oct 20 3.51pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Maybe they are just not prepared to open the chequebook FULL STOP

Net transfer spend (except for the BFS window) seems to be around £20m every summer. That seems to be all their is available and it wouldn't be wise to invest more at this time.

We've got the 9th biggest wage bill and the 34th biggest stadium in England.

We have just gone a decade without going into administration. Financial, the club is operating at it's limit. Roy has shown enough self preservation skills to acknowledge that. It must have been a very tough call to tell Pullis and BFS that there is no money in the pot and they aren't going to put the clubs future at risk. Pullis and BFS were confident of getting jobs elsewhere after Palace which could have been the driver for a more forthright approach.

Fulham and West Brom are going to really struggle. We have to outperform one team to stay up. It should be the minimum expectation.

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 09 Oct 20 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

Bit of an exaggeration. FdB left us on 11th September. I suppose that, strictly speaking, that is, as you say, before Christmas.

No it's not, Roy went another 3/4 games before getting his first points, it took him time to get the defensive frailty left by FdB and Pardew before him out of their system. Although we will never be able to say what would have happened had FdV stayed,I for one would not have wanted to bet that we would have not been relegated by Christmas that year. The point I'm making is Roy saved us and that I can be sure of. The article below says it all!

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Oct 20 10.14am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

No it's not, Roy went another 3/4 games before getting his first points, it took him time to get the defensive frailty left by FdB and Pardew before him out of their system. Although we will never be able to say what would have happened had FdV stayed,I for one would not have wanted to bet that we would have not been relegated by Christmas that year. The point I'm making is Roy saved us and that I can be sure of. The article below says it all!

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Itís impossible to be relegated by Christmas as there are a possible 57 points still to be played for in half a season. Just saying.

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 10 Oct 20 10.15am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Itís impossible to be relegated by Christmas as there are a possible 57 points still to be played for in half a season. Just saying.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Oct 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Clubs like Wolves and Newcastle are sleeping giants whereas we have absolutely no history at all and with the exception of one year 40 years ago we have always been perpetual strugglers in the top flight and if it hadn't been for the happy accident of having a young kid called Zaha in our academy we would have sunk without trace years ago

Very correct.

 

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