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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Oct 20 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You must be a youngster as Wolves have a long history at the top level including 11 league titles as well as the FA Cup four times

Spot on.

Some famous old names played/managed Wolves including Stan Cullis, Billy Wright, Derek Dougan, Bert Williams etc etc.
They are steeped in history.

Edited by Willo (08 Oct 2020 5.05pm)

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 08 Oct 20 6.07pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Looking at Leicester, they haven't spent as much as many imagine as they have offloaded players like Mahrez,Kante,Maguire and Chilwell for substantial fees.

My understanding is that Leicester's 'Net Spend' over this season and the previous 4 seasons is approaching £100 Mill.

I must respectfully disagree because Leicester have spent heavily in the last 4 full Seasons (Since August 2016). They have paid out circa £291.8 million in transfer fees from this date, compared directly with ours from the same time frame, which is £128.4 million.

They may have a more reasonable ‘net’ outlay because of the transfer fees they have received from selling players but that doesn’t alter the fact that they have spent huge amounts in the previous 4 Seasons (almost £300 million!)

Figures from the internet (Soccerbase.com)

Edited by Phil’s Barber (08 Oct 2020 6.08pm)

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 Oct 20 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo


Some famous old names played/managed Wolves including Stan Cullis, Billy Wright, Derek Dougan, Bert Williams etc etc.
They are steeped in history.

Derek Dougan and John Richards were a formidable partnership up front

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 08 Oct 20 7.09pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Again though, again and again quite frankly, let's take this argument - our squad is largely average or not even average. We have Zaha and decent centre backs, big ones as you say. I can't believe I'm saying this again, I must have posted maybe ten times the same now: why don't we work on set pieces? Off the top of my head, we were number one in the league from set pieces under Pulis, and certainly within the top two teams under Allardyce. When we USED to get a corner, we had belief we might score.
Now when we get a set piece, I can hardly be bothered to watch it. If I do, I'm angry. We are literally the worst team at set pieces in the whole league (or thereabouts). Again, why the actual f#ck not work on set pieces? Do we need to practice our 'organistion' 24/7? Someone needs to have a word, or even some f#cking responsibility for this. It explains exactly why teams can foul us with impunity. Teams couldn't do that to Burnley, who are crap frankly, because they would score a decent percentage of set pieces. Practice set pieces, practice bloody set pieces. I think we scored 14/15 goals from corners under Pulis. It was one maybe two last year. This is my biggest criticism of Roy. Sorry for the rant, it's just that this is so blatantly obvious that I can't believe it has to be said. If I was SP I would politely ask Roy about this - does his philosophy rule out practising free kicks and corners? It bloody looks like it from where I'm sitting.

This suggests we aren't great from set pieces (or corners at least) having scored only three, but the average is only 6 and a half, so we're only 'missing out' on three or four extra goals:

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Edited by TheBigToePunt (08 Oct 2020 7.11pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 08 Oct 20 7.18pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Derek Dougan and John Richards were a formidable partnership up front

Steve bull was a good stalwart.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Oct 20 8.13pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Steve bull was a good stalwart.

alongside Andy Mutch, they were like Wright and Bright.

Also Geoff Thomas lol

Edited by Tickled pink (08 Oct 2020 8.23pm)

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 08 Oct 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I think people are forgetting how poor the squad was under Pullis and Pardew.

In his last transfer window Pardew added Tompkins, Benteke, and Townsend for a combined £55m.

BFS added £45m worth of players. Then we added Reidewald and Sakho for £35m.

I just found a old programme from Feb 2015. We had a squad that included Mariappa, Hangeland, McCarthy, Thomas, Friers, Mutch, Ameobi & Sonogo. Really, we are a lot stronger now. We finished 10th that season.

Hodgson is nothing special.

I should note, that I don't advocate sacking a manager over our last two performances. It's more the performance over last season, particualarly from Christmas onwards. I'm quite willing to see how he does over the next two games, but nothing less than 6 points should be acceptable. My main gripe is with people continually calling Roy a mirical worker - he's not. He's our 4th most successful manager since promotion and has several huge flaws. As soon as someone decent comes available we should move on.

I should damn well hope not! Our record since our return to the Prem against Everton (W2/D7/L6) and Chelsea (W4/D0/L11) is abysmal. Expecting points in either game is not realistc considering how much they both spent recently.

In contrast however, our record against Man Utd (W2/D3/L10) and Soton (W4/D2/L9) isn't much different, but we have 6 points, so there is an argument to suggest we are doing very well indeed.

 


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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Oct 20 9.06pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

I should damn well hope not! Our record since our return to the Prem against Everton (W2/D7/L6) and Chelsea (W4/D0/L11) is abysmal. Expecting points in either game is not realistc considering how much they both spent recently.

In contrast however, our record against Man Utd (W2/D3/L10) and Soton (W4/D2/L9) isn't much different, but we have 6 points, so there is an argument to suggest we are doing very well indeed.

 

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View iheartcpfc's Profile iheartcpfc Flag SE25 08 Oct 20 9.46pm Send a Private Message to iheartcpfc Add iheartcpfc as a friend

Originally posted by majorkaios

What a load of drivel from 'the cup half empties' Palace Supporters.

Just a minute, why are people blaming Roy for defensive errors??? Human error is a factor, and inhuman to expect players to be Robots.

Regarding subs ... sure, got 90 million???

It's awful, that as a mere Palace fan, this thread is up for the topic yet again. Negative people here in this thread think that the money being spent is not prudently sufficient, or is the Gaffers fault. Just because you are great at tactics or finance. Does in my opinion amount to poppy-cock and balderdash.


As a happy Roy fan though at times disappointed, we knew what we were getting, and the alternatives at the time were a lot worse.

Yes, I am proud we are in the prem, which I may add has made a healthy contribution by way of Managers and Internationals to the history of the football league.

But I'm far more proud we are known as a club with honest fans and honest players that play honest football.

I motion to close this thread today.

Edited by majorkaios (08 Oct 2020 3.25am)

Edited by majorkaios (08 Oct 2020 3.51am)

"honest football" = 0 shots on target

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 09 Oct 20 7.59am Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I think people are forgetting how poor the squad was under Pullis and Pardew.

In his last transfer window Pardew added Tompkins, Benteke, and Townsend for a combined £55m.

BFS added £45m worth of players. Then we added Reidewald and Sakho for £35m.

I just found a old programme from Feb 2015. We had a squad that included Mariappa, Hangeland, McCarthy, Thomas, Friers, Mutch, Ameobi & Sonogo. Really, we are a lot stronger now. We finished 10th that season.

Hodgson is nothing special.

I should note, that I don't advocate sacking a manager over our last two performances. It's more the performance over last season, particualarly from Christmas onwards. I'm quite willing to see how he does over the next two games, but nothing less than 6 points should be acceptable. My main gripe is with people continually calling Roy a mirical worker - he's not. He's our 4th most successful manager since promotion and has several huge flaws. As soon as someone decent comes available we should move on.

Whilst we have a dysfunctional board there will be little interest from quality Managers, remember the last board selection as a manager before Roy came in took ages to find and we ended up with FdB and we all know where that was taking us but for Roy who came and saved us!

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 09 Oct 20 9.02am Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Whilst we have a dysfunctional board there will be little interest from quality Managers, remember the last board selection as a manager before Roy came in took ages to find and we ended up with FdB and we all know where that was taking us but for Roy who came and saved us!

You've really got to start looking externally to see how other clubs are run.

Roy has two decent seasons. But he has 34 games to avoid relegation with what was possibly our best ever squad that season. FdB should have won the Huddersfield and Swansea games, Liverpool and Burnley away were free hits so we were only effectively 6 points behind where we needed to be. Not a miracle worker by any means. Pullis, Pardew and BFS took on the team from a much worse position with worse squads and finished higher.

CPFC2010 have sacked 4 managers in a decade. Burley, Pardew and Hodgson were given plenty of time. Warnock shouldn't really have had the job in the first place and we got Pardew in the next day. FdB was an unforeseeable disaster - he seem to be someone who said all the right things at interview then did the exact opposite. Holloway wasn't sacked and his initial resignation was rejected. We haven't treated managers badly at all.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 09 Oct 20 9.03am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Spot on.

Some famous old names played/managed Wolves including Stan Cullis, Billy Wright, Derek Dougan, Bert Williams etc etc.
They are steeped in history.

Edited by Willo (08 Oct 2020 5.05pm)

Maybe so, But what constitutes a 'big club' - winning titles in the Past and having history?
Huddersfield Town won the league 3 times in the 20s, does that make them a 'big club'?

 

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