Both though somewhat weird figures themselves and not mainstream. Savile had become a national treasure. Accusations from people like them, although true, were obviously not taken seriously. You can see why. They would have been accused of professional jealousy and of trying to damage a career so they could enhance theirs.

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I think it’s well established that at lower levels in the BBC Savile’s behaviour was questioned but not fully recognised. In the culture of the day, and in the position he held, he was often given the benefit of the doubt. What the enquiries established was a lack of a method whereby staff could, with assured confidence, report concerns to senior management, who were unaware.

Professional jealousy comes in many flavours. Being the weirdest weirdo on TV wouldn’t be my goal, but John Lyndon might have thought differently.,

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Savile had senior Sith-Lord levels of protection...right from the top.
He could have run down Shepherds Bush high street, shooting people with a kalashnikov, and got away with it.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Yes, alright let's say Johnny Rotten's dream in life was to present his own version of Jim'll Fix It. That doesn't alter the fact that he spoke in public about these rumours and was ignored. And thirty years later Savile was still commiting the same crimes.

I often think that when Savile is discussed that it's forgotten just how smart he was. He created a brand that was perfect for doing what he did almost in plain sight.

He fooled a lot of people.....You could say a whole country.

I'm a massive critic of the BBC but I'm not as harsh as some concerning them and Savile. Let's not forget that he hardly spent his career just working for the BBC.

Yes the culture was different....Generally I regard it as a far better culture than today's culture....but obviously not in this regard. The 'dirty old man' idea was laughed at and while in many instances it was banter in many others it wasn't and sexual abuse within families and workplaces was tolerated more than should have been the case. I think we all agree on that even if many of us regard the 'me too' reaction to male/female interactions as having gone too far in the opposite direction....probably why it's fallen out of the culture.

That said, like most here, having lived or grown up in that time I can grate at the impression sometimes given that peado behaviour was somehow publicly accepted. It's important that younger generations understand that was never the case. it wasn't like that at all.

Savile hid his behaviour and only a small cohort of people ever really knew. We know that he was loved by most of the nation and that was apparent when he died. Most of what is now accepted was just suspicion and put down to eccentric behaviour.

Once that documentary on Savile dropped and people's eyes started to open on what went on huge numbers of claims were made.

What actually went on that we know for certain. Why hasn't anyone been held to account? Surely if events can be proven and verified then accountability should be there....but as in so many cases we hear a lot of noise but actual action doesn't get taken....just a lot of sniping.

It can prove frustrating to get at any objective truth other than knowing he did terrible abuse of the vulnerable. Few seem to what to talk about it because so many seem complicit in heing fooled by him.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Those are indeed the facts, which nobody contests or, with the benefit of hindsight, defends. No doubt there are things happening today that in some years time will look to be indefensible. The important thing is not to rant over inevitable mistakes but whether the lessons available have been learned.

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It's the same with the grooming gangs....an ongoing problem of course and so many other failures of our leaders. We live in an era of failing upwards and insulated power.

Whenever you hear someone blaming the system or the culture you know that they are obfuscating and you're not going to get justice.....systems and cultures are implemented by those at the top, the money power has names.

The lack of accountability is perhaps a clue as to why nothing is actually done.....It means that those responsible are considered too powerful to be pointed at.

However, how much Savile just fooled people I can't say....as a normie in the culture I was certainly fooled by him....watched Jim'll fix it, top of the pops and thought he was great.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

those who were not fooled by Savile, were threatened.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

An excellent post that illustrates the frustration many of us feel.....so many slimeballs.

What you need are honest people in charge of these systems to ensure that accountability is clear....Reward your leaders well, but that reward should be in line with where the buck stops.

It's only when accountability is clear when systems get properly managed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

God forbid when Jagger dies...

Money protects....Hall probably didn't have enough to frighten people.

Having said that I'll make it clear that I'm no 'me too' person. The culture gets weaponsied against straight males....so I'm skeptical as well.

Was what happened to Freddie Star really fair? Jim Davidson?

I don't know....to my mind it should be about protecting the underage kids from peados but the activists and gold diggers are out there and always push that boat out further.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)