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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 23 8.31pm
Originally posted by cryrst There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort. Ie if someone has a benefit income inc reductions in rent and council tax etc of £1500 a month say. Then if they get a job then put them in a better position. So they earn £1000 a month give them another £1000. That’s a £500 incentive to work. Over time with pay rises etc keep the equation. That way hmg pay less and the person gets on the job ladder and realises it’s not that bad. Eventually the wages may be enough to have no benefits and independence makes them feel better. The sums and how to is probably not easy but just a thought. I am out of date on this but believe that Universal Credit does already make incentives of this kind so that you keep your benefits for the first hours you work and then they get reduced incrementally as you earn more. It’s a very complicated system which perhaps others can explain. It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 23 8.31pm

Originally posted by cryrst

There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort.
Ie if someone has a benefit income inc reductions in rent and council tax etc of £1500 a month say. Then if they get a job then put them in a better position. So they earn £1000 a month give them another £1000. That’s a £500 incentive to work. Over time with pay rises etc keep the equation. That way hmg pay less and the person gets on the job ladder and realises it’s not that bad. Eventually the wages may be enough to have no benefits and independence makes them feel better. The sums and how to is probably not easy but just a thought.

I am out of date on this but believe that Universal Credit does already make incentives of this kind so that you keep your benefits for the first hours you work and then they get reduced incrementally as you earn more. It’s a very complicated system which perhaps others can explain.

It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 03 Dec 23 10.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am out of date on this but believe that Universal Credit does already make incentives of this kind so that you keep your benefits for the first hours you work and then they get reduced incrementally as you earn more. It’s a very complicated system which perhaps others can explain. It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances. It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm)
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cryrst

The garden of England 03 Dec 23 10.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It doesn’t though seem to be having the desired impact in all circumstances.

It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh.

Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm)

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georgenorman 03 Dec 23 11.04pm
Originally posted by cryrst It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm) Many people abuse the benefits system. More should be done to stamp out fraud and identify lead swingers. The benefits paid should be substantially reduced - you would suddenly find many of these people then seeking work, although they would probably be pretty mediocre employees.
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georgenorman

03 Dec 23 11.04pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm)

Many people abuse the benefits system. More should be done to stamp out fraud and identify lead swingers. The benefits paid should be substantially reduced - you would suddenly find many of these people then seeking work, although they would probably be pretty mediocre employees.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 23 8.00am
Originally posted by cryrst It may work as you say but the incentive should be you get more for working. Not the same. That’s the point, there may be no incentive to put the effort in without a reward.if it’s £30 a week what’s the point to get out of bed tbh. Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm) I am in favour of incentivizing people to work. The problem is that employers knowing their staff our getting a bung from the taxpayer keep their wages low so we are actually subsiding bad employers through the working tax credit. The minimum wage is the tool to solve this. Crackdown on the shirkers whilst increasing that forcing employers to pay a decent wage so work pays. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 04 Dec 23 8.00am

Originally posted by cryrst

Edited by cryrst (03 Dec 2023 10.08pm)

I am in favour of incentivizing people to work. The problem is that employers knowing their staff our getting a bung from the taxpayer keep their wages low so we are actually subsiding bad employers through the working tax credit.

The minimum wage is the tool to solve this. Crackdown on the shirkers whilst increasing that forcing employers to pay a decent wage so work pays.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 23 8.10am
Originally posted by cryrst There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort. Ie if someone has a benefit income inc reductions in rent and council tax etc of £1500 a month say. Then if they get a job then put them in a better position. So they earn £1000 a month give them another £1000. That’s a £500 incentive to work. Over time with pay rises etc keep the equation. That way hmg pay less and the person gets on the job ladder and realises it’s not that bad. Eventually the wages may be enough to have no benefits and independence makes them feel better. The sums and how to is probably not easy but just a thought. The problem there is that inflation usually outpaces wage rises. The problems here are multifactored.....people wanted the covid response, people wanted involvement in foreign wars and thus energy and cost impacts. They want what the media sell them but they don't want the consequences on living standards. The cost of living with housing and food versus blue collar wages doesn't add up. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2023 8.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

04 Dec 23 8.10am

Originally posted by cryrst

There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort.
Ie if someone has a benefit income inc reductions in rent and council tax etc of £1500 a month say. Then if they get a job then put them in a better position. So they earn £1000 a month give them another £1000. That’s a £500 incentive to work. Over time with pay rises etc keep the equation. That way hmg pay less and the person gets on the job ladder and realises it’s not that bad. Eventually the wages may be enough to have no benefits and independence makes them feel better. The sums and how to is probably not easy but just a thought.

The problem there is that inflation usually outpaces wage rises.

The problems here are multifactored.....people wanted the covid response, people wanted involvement in foreign wars and thus energy and cost impacts. They want what the media sell them but they don't want the consequences on living standards.

The cost of living with housing and food versus blue collar wages doesn't add up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2023 8.55am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Dec 23 2.01pm
Nothing like taking back control is there. 'Tories using Brexit to threaten state pension'. You would think there was nothing left for them to steal. [Link]
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Croydon 05 Dec 23 2.01pm

Nothing like taking back control is there.

'Tories using Brexit to threaten state pension'.

You would think there was nothing left for them to steal.

[Link]

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Jan 24 2.57pm
It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. [Link] It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.
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steeleye20

Croydon 18 Jan 24 2.57pm

It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies.

Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself.

[Link]

It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda.

The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale.

The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified.

To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.

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Teddy Eagle 18 Jan 24 3.05pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. [Link] It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle. The benefit of Brexit is schadenfreude at the reaction it provokes. Now you know how everyone else feels about "woke" issues.
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Teddy Eagle

18 Jan 24 3.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies.

Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself.

[Link]

It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda.

The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale.

The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified.

To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.

The benefit of Brexit is schadenfreude at the reaction it provokes. Now you know how everyone else feels about "woke" issues.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 24 5.41pm
What the future of Europe needs to be. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jan 24 5.41pm

What the future of Europe needs to be.

[Tweet Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 24 5.56pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies. Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself. [Link] It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda. The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale. The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified. To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle. I'm going to be interested in how you see this question in a few years Steely as currently both France and Germany are probably on the path to having considerably more right wing governments than what even Farage would be here. I wonder if you'd be so pro the EU project then. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Jan 24 5.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It's 2024 and the desperate search for a Brexit benefit intensifies.

Here at last, the Daily Express and tories trumpet 'masses of shellfish beds' in the Thames Estuary which of course can't have been there before Brexit itself.

[Link]

It's sad and pathetic worse than Rwanda.

The Thames is now a class 'B' water (it's full of sewage) you cannot harvest anything there for sale.

The shellfish have to be sent away to be purified.

To the EU, as we don't have anything. and we are not in the single market so it's an expensive hassle.

I'm going to be interested in how you see this question in a few years Steely as currently both France and Germany are probably on the path to having considerably more right wing governments than what even Farage would be here.

I wonder if you'd be so pro the EU project then.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Jan 24 2.51pm
Surely the greatest irony about Brexit. 'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'. Andrew Marr, unmuzzled from the BBC, turning out a series of thought-provoking videos. [Link]
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steeleye20

Croydon 22 Jan 24 2.51pm

Surely the greatest irony about Brexit.

'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'.

Andrew Marr, unmuzzled from the BBC, turning out a series of thought-provoking videos.

[Link]

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 24 3.19pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Surely the greatest irony about Brexit. 'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'. Andrew Marr, unmuzzled from the BBC, turning out a series of thought-provoking videos. [Link] Funny how it's done that all across Europe too. Amazing knock on effect of one country leaving. Surely too then Brexit should be celebrated by those seeking multi cultural diversity? It's giving them what they want surely? So it is delivering. Red and Blue Army!
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ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jan 24 3.19pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Surely the greatest irony about Brexit.

'Brexit has made the UK a more multi-cultural, less white place'.

Andrew Marr, unmuzzled from the BBC, turning out a series of thought-provoking videos.

[Link]

Funny how it's done that all across Europe too. Amazing knock on effect of one country leaving.

Surely too then Brexit should be celebrated by those seeking multi cultural diversity? It's giving them what they want surely? So it is delivering.

Red and Blue Army!

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