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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 14 Aug 21 5.22am

Originally posted by Davepalace707

When the PV doubters are judging him in what is a very tough run of opening matches, worth bearing in mind how we did in the equivalent fixtures last season. Taking the first ten games bar Brentford, last season we got 5 points out of the 9 matches, scoring 4 and conceding 16

A part of me thinks these tough opening fixtures of the coming weeks are perfect timing as these clubs will be finding their feet and we will see unusual results... maybe.

even if we lose all of them I want to see commitment, a plan a and b and passion, that will go a long way for me.

I don't wanna see us bullied, heads down or confusion...

 


This was once a quality forum....

X20XEV Flag Hampshire 14 Aug 21 10.01am

Worth checking out our performance against the big 6 over the last 3 seasons

18-19 W2 D2 L8 F14 A25 P8
19-20 W1 D4 L7 F11 A26 P7
20-21 W1 D3 L8 F7 A32 P6

Goals for down each year, goals against up each year, points down each year, we should expect to lose by 3 or 4 goals today but can still hope to get a draw.

Perhaps we should be grateful that we play 5 of them in our first 10 matches where we are still bedding in the new players, on last years showing we would only expect 3 points from those matches.

Ignoring Brentford, from the remaining 4 corresponding matches, West Ham, Brighton, Leicester and Newcastle we got 5 points in 18-19, 7 points in 19-20 and 3 in 20-21 so lets take the average and hope to get 5 points and on Brentfords showing at Arsenal a point from them so a total of 9 points from the first 10 games would be par.

I know its not very scientific but apart from Brentford and Arsenal no-one has played yet so who is to say how anyone will do this year.

Let's reconvene in November to assess how we are doing.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Aug 21 10.14am

Originally posted by X20XEV

Worth checking out our performance against the big 6 over the last 3 seasons

18-19 W2 D2 L8 F14 A25 P8
19-20 W1 D4 L7 F11 A26 P7
20-21 W1 D3 L8 F7 A32 P6

Goals for down each year, goals against up each year, points down each year, we should expect to lose by 3 or 4 goals today but can still hope to get a draw.

Perhaps we should be grateful that we play 5 of them in our first 10 matches where we are still bedding in the new players, on last years showing we would only expect 3 points from those matches.

Ignoring Brentford, from the remaining 4 corresponding matches, West Ham, Brighton, Leicester and Newcastle we got 5 points in 18-19, 7 points in 19-20 and 3 in 20-21 so lets take the average and hope to get 5 points and on Brentfords showing at Arsenal a point from them so a total of 9 points from the first 10 games would be par.

I know its not very scientific but apart from Brentford and Arsenal no-one has played yet so who is to say how anyone will do this year.

Let's reconvene in November to assess how we are doing.

Vieira might not be in charge in November!
-.-' -.-'

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 14 Aug 21 11.12am

Originally posted by Willo

Vieira might not be in charge in November!
-.-' -.-'


You mean Arsenal will have pinched him that soon?!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Aug 21 11.17am

Originally posted by doombear


You mean Arsenal will have pinched him that soon?!

Two 8th place finishes under Arteta which Arsenal supporters will not deem good enough but they did win the FA Cup under him.
They did finish last season with 5 wins in succession.

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 14 Aug 21 11.19am

Originally posted by Willo

Vieira might not be in charge in November!
-.-' -.-'

OK Corporal Jones, sorry it's Private Frazer!

Edited by Slimey Toad (14 Aug 2021 11.19am)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 14 Aug 21 11.24am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

OK Corporal Jones, sorry it's Private Frazer!

Edited by Slimey Toad (14 Aug 2021 11.19am)

Only 2 new signings in our squad today, both in central defence. "We're doomed" !

 

babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 14 Aug 21 1.03pm

I dont expect us to beat chelsea today. But I would like to see us give them a good game and not get completely battered.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 14 Aug 21 2.12pm

Originally posted by Willo


Vieira might not be in charge in November!
-.-' -.-'

Blimey Willo. You take pessimism to a whole new level

 

waterfordpal Flag 14 Aug 21 7.58pm

Arteta is a spoofer and will be gone long before Vieira. I think his team selection today was a chance to show Parish that some players are not up to it. I expect to see Mateta and Ayew shipped out and another striker plus a wide player/ wing back brought in before this window closes.

 

beak Flag croydon 14 Aug 21 9.22pm

Originally posted by doombear


You mean Arsenal will have pinched him that soon?!

We need to re- employ Roy. Vieira is DeBoer part two.We won't score,we will ship shed loads of goals.No points after seven games.

 

batcountry Flag Melbourne 14 Aug 21 11.53pm

Thought it looked more like Roy part 2. Gallagher should liven things up and Mitchell and Ayew need a reality check. It was obvious from the start with Zaha more central and Mateta rather than Benteke that there wouldn’t be crosses flying into the box. Containment was the name of PV’s strategy but setting up with a minority in midfield what we got was inevitable. Chelsea have seven players going forward when they have the ball and we couldn’t cope. Andersen’s inclusion would get Kouyate moving up to midfield.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.05am

Originally posted by beak

We need to re- employ Roy. Vieira is DeBoer part two.We won't score,we will ship shed loads of goals.No points after seven games.


So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's.

As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back.

Roy's team gained just 5 points from last season's corresponding 9 fixtures we face from the start of this season (I've ignored the Brentford game). I reckon Vieira's team will gain more than that number by the time we've played Citeh (the last of those 9 fixtures).

 

beak Flag croydon 15 Aug 21 10.23am

Originally posted by doombear


So you're not even prepared to give Vieira a chance. Roy's Palace got thrashed 8-1 on aggregate by Chelsea last season and apart from Guehi, the team that started yesterday was Roy's.

As much as I admire Roy for the stability he brought to the club, the last thing I want is to see him brought back.

Roy's team gained just 5 points from last season's corresponding 9 fixtures we face from the start of this season (I've ignored the Brentford game). I reckon Vieira's team will gain more than that number by the time we've played Citeh (the last of those 9 fixtures).

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

 

Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 15 Aug 21 1.24pm

Originally posted by beak

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago!

Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Roy’s team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. We’re going through a major overhaul and we’ll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because he’s an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance.

De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I don’t feel that with PV.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Aug 21 1.39pm

Originally posted by Goal Machine

If anyone was expecting anything other than a comfortable Chelsea win, they need their head examined. They won the Champions League about 10 weeks ago!

Olise & Eze injured, Gallagher not available, not sure about Andersen. It was pretty much Roy’s team with Gueye swapped in for Cahill. We’re going through a major overhaul and we’ll take a couple of months to get going. A point against Brentford would be a decent result. This season is about survival. The jury is out on PV simply because he’s an unknown quantity, but at least give the bloke a chance.

De Boer was trying to fit round pegs in square holes, I don’t feel that with PV.

Even if results and performances are less than impressive initially, I suspect he will be given time by supporters.
If bumps in the road continue and we slide into the relegation zone, he will face shot and shell.

Edited by Willo (15 Aug 2021 1.41pm)

 

MR100% Flag 15 Aug 21 9.30pm

Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available

If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference !

Schlupp had no idea what he was supposed to be doing and Ayew sulked as he's not interested in being a winger ,wants to play as an out and out forward or a number 9
Vieira seems oblivious to this and don't kid yourselves its Dougie and Parrish that are signing the players !

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Aug 21 9.52pm

Originally posted by MR100%

Clueless, same team as we played against Watford despite having Benteke and Anderson available

If you saw the game against Watford you'd have known Riedewald and Jimmy totally ineffective and it was only two bits of class by Wilf that made the difference !

Schlupp had no idea what he was supposed to be doing and Ayew sulked as he's not interested in being a winger ,wants to play as an out and out forward or a number 9
Vieira seems oblivious to this and don't kid yourselves its Dougie and Parrish that are signing the players !


They were almost certainly not deemed fit enough to start the game, only to come off the bench. Neither has had a sufficient pre-season and both were carrying minor knocks at the beginning of the month. So no, Vieira wasn't clueless at all. He simply played the limited cards he was dealt for this match, which let's face it wasn't much, Basically the team Roy had that got thrashed by Chelsea 8-1 on aggregate last season plus Guehi.

Edited by doombear (15 Aug 2021 9.53pm)

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 15 Aug 21 10.58pm

I’ve only seen brief highlights but with the players available it’s easy to see why his tactics may have been muddled.

Perhaps a bit naive to try to play through Chelsea but starting the season with the squad we currently have is poor IMO. You can’t afford to just write off x amount of games.

 

maddog Flag Wiltshire 15 Aug 21 11.13pm

Originally posted by beak

In all honesty no,yesterday showed a shocking naivety.

Edited by beak (15 Aug 2021 11.32am)

I agree. And there were even more naive comments today too! Shocking!

 

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