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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 08 May 20 9.43am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

" We have prioritised this horrific crime as a national threat.


Well it only nearly sparked a bloody civil war on the streets.


Bad for business. Bad for investors.

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 9.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This was the response

Government responded:
Tackling child sexual abuse is this Government’s priority. Any insights gained from our internal work will inform our future action to end this devastating abuse, including the forthcoming Strategy.
Child sexual abuse is a truly horrendous crime that shatters the lives of victims and their families. This Government has made it our mission to protect the most vulnerable in our society, and we will continue to work tirelessly at every level to protect children, support victims and stamp out offending.
Our approach is simple: we will do everything in our power to help those at risk and to leave offenders with no place to hide.
First, we have improved support for those who have suffered this appalling crime. We have increased funding for specialist local services for victims of sexual violence from £8 million to £12 million a year. Those affected have our unequivocal support, so we have also doubled our Support for Victims and Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse fund to £1.2 million, to help charities do more to help people across the country.
Second, the vile offenders preying on our children must face justice. The Home Office continues to support and drive improvements in the police response to child sexual abuse. We have prioritised this horrific crime as a national threat to ensure offenders face the full force of the law and provided significant Police Transformation Fund investment to improve the police response. Group offending must be eradicated, and we continue to provide Special Grant funding to forces carrying out major child sexual exploitation investigations.
Last September, we announced an additional £30 million to strengthen our mission to take down the worst offenders and safeguard and support victims. We continue to look for ways to do more and are developing a cross-government Child Sexual Abuse Strategy to ensure the whole system works for victims. The Strategy will set out how we will work across all sectors - including government, law enforcement, safeguarding and industry - to stop offenders in their tracks, and to help victims and survivors rebuild their lives.
Group-based child sexual exploitation is a particularly repugnant form of abuse that has a devasting impact on villages, towns and communities, particularly where it has gone on for years. These unthinkable crimes tear neighbourhoods apart and leave lasting scars that go beyond the direct victims. Extremists may also seek to exploit legitimate concerns to sow further division. The Government will continue to challenge these views and to help communities unite.
Child sexual abusers come from all walks of life, and from many different age groups, communities, ethnicities and faiths. Abuse is abuse, and misplaced sensitivities must never be allowed to put any child at risk. We are clear that police forces must continue to fully investigate these heinous crimes whenever and wherever they occur, and to ensure that anyone found responsible is prosecuted.
To help end this terrible form of abuse, the Home Office has been investigating the characteristics of group-based child sexual exploitation. It is right, proper and routine for the Government to carry out internal fact-finding work as part of policy development, as we do across a range of crime threats. Any insights gained from this important internal work will be used to inform our future action to end this devastating abuse, including the forthcoming Strategy.
Our research will help us better understand offending, to help prevent these vile crimes. Key findings will inform our own work, action at a local level, and law enforcement action to catch those responsible for this horrific abuse.
As part of our work, we have completed a review of existing literature. We have spoken to investigators and safeguarding professionals to better explore the challenges in investigating these crimes and their understanding of the offenders and victims of group-based child sexual exploitation.
The Government appreciates public interest in this matter and shares the nation’s outrage and determination to end this atrocious form of abuse. Mistakes have undoubtedly been made in the past and must never be allowed to happen again.
We will continue to work relentlessly to understand and end all forms of child sexual abuse. The most vulnerable in our society deserve our protection and we will work tirelessly to keep them safe and to bring their tormentors to justice.
Home Office

That seems to me to be a pretty comprehensive summary of the steps being taken, written in unambiguous language.

There is actually a hint there of at least one of the reasons why it is not being publically released. Highlighted!

It must surely be better to know that things are being done rather than be kept in the dark and not know. That, after all, is the only way to protect people and bring perpetrators to justice.

The MP's asking for a revised explanation are presumably not yet satisfied they fully know why the report is being kept internal and not made public. Like us they may never know if it is considered too sensitive, or prejudicial to ongoing cases or enquiries. The relevant select committee will know. Ministers will know. That ought to be enough but clearly won't be for some people.

I would have thought the most effective thing now was to constantly scrutinise the government's, and relevant authorities', progress on attaining the aims set out in their explanation. That will achieve much more that pursuing a blame game or demanding to see all the evidence yourself. Or to "sow further division"!

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 08 May 20 10.23am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


That will achieve much more that pursuing a blame game or demanding to see all the evidence yourself. Or to "sow further division"!

So you think there should be no blame then? Surely the point of an inquiry is to discover the blame?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 10.40am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

So you think there should be no blame then? Surely the point of an inquiry is to discover the blame?

Surely the point of an enquiry is to put things right?

Blame only becomes important when there is a need to discipline or prosecute.

Accountability for decisions is a better concept than blame, in my view, as it is more likely to produce positive consequences. Blame induces defensive responses.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 20 10.54am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That seems to me to be a pretty comprehensive summary of the steps being taken, written in unambiguous language.

There is actually a hint there of at least one of the reasons why it is not being publically released. Highlighted!

It must surely be better to know that things are being done rather than be kept in the dark and not know. That, after all, is the only way to protect people and bring perpetrators to justice.

The MP's asking for a revised explanation are presumably not yet satisfied they fully know why the report is being kept internal and not made public. Like us they may never know if it is considered too sensitive, or prejudicial to ongoing cases or enquiries. The relevant select committee will know. Ministers will know. That ought to be enough but clearly won't be for some people.

I would have thought the most effective thing now was to constantly scrutinise the government's, and relevant authorities', progress on attaining the aims set out in their explanation. That will achieve much more that pursuing a blame game or demanding to see all the evidence yourself. Or to "sow further division"!

Yup and that is the point of the appeal. Why can't the government simply say why they are not releasing the report this response did not answer the petition as they have not released the document nor have they clearly explained why they will not do so. Civil service BS.

 


One more point

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 08 May 20 11.14am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11


Yup and that is the point of the appeal. Why can't the government simply say why they are not releasing the report

If they haven't released the report out of concern what the idiotic vigilante gangs might do surely giving that as the reason is tantamount to the same thing

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 08 May 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If they haven't released the report out of concern what the idiotic vigilante gangs might do surely giving that as the reason is tantamount to the same thing

Is that the reason or are they ashamed about the massive establishment cover up.

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 08 May 20 1.50pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Surely the point of an enquiry is to put things right?

Blame only becomes important when there is a need to discipline or prosecute.

Accountability for decisions is a better concept than blame, in my view, as it is more likely to produce positive consequences. Blame induces defensive responses.

Lets go with accountability then. How can they be held 'accountable' if we don't know what is the report?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 08 May 20 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Also beginning to smell a rat around this report.

Delaying publication makes little sense. If you are worried about public reaction then now is the perfect time to release it. People are in lockdown, the Police have extra powers and in short any and everything other than Covid 19 is relegated to the inside pages, soon to fade away.

What if, and it would come as no surprise, this report is devastating for primarily Labour Councils? That their culpability is beyond forgiveness?

Local elections have been cancelled but when they do happen, releasing this report in the run up...

Ok. Political dirty tricks. I get that. But I wonder if many who are defending the delay might suddenly change their tune?

And pure speculation on my part. Nothing more than a hunch.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 May 20 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Lets go with accountability then. How can they be held 'accountable' if we don't know what is the report?

We aren't responsible for holding them accountable are we?

It's those they report to who are. I expect many involved had to account for their decisions during the compilation of the report and that the lessons learned will form part of the strategy now being adopted.

We don't determine that strategy. Our responsibility is to hold those we elect accountable once every 5 years.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 May 20 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We aren't responsible for holding them accountable are we?

It's those they report to who are. I expect many involved had to account for their decisions during the compilation of the report and that the lessons learned will form part of the strategy now being adopted.

We don't determine that strategy. Our responsibility is to hold those we elect accountable once every 5 years.

Wasn’t the decision not to publish made by the Home Office? How often do we get to elect them?

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 08 May 20 5.36pm Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wasn’t the decision not to publish made by the Home Office? How often do we get to elect them?

Ah yes blame the civil servants _ bunch of lrfties and apologists.

If this has been surpressed by the Home Office then the decision would ultimately rest with the Home Secretary, not those around her.

 

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