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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Jun 22 11.10am | |
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I think there's a lot that posters can agree on. I think we are all after the same outcome(s), but divided on how we might get there. This is what really grips my goat.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Jun 22 11.51am | |
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A show of fortitude and resilience from Boris.
Speaking to journalists after returning from its capital, Kyiv, Boris Johnson said the streets there were lively and Ukrainians were "confident"." (BBC) completely disregarding the fact that the UK holds no sway over Europe any more, and shouldn't even be in Eurovision, by rights. Just glad he has answers to the big questions out there,... Edited by Forest Hillbilly (20 Jun 2022 11.52am)
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Beanyboysmd 20 Jun 22 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why would you regard anything coming out of the top level of our military as particularly note worthy? Most, if not all of them are establishment picks and yes men. Along with governments they have got just about every military review wrong for about twenty years....each review lopping off parts of the military. They are the very reason we don't have an army fit for a land war. A military that went with light and mobile.....That's the level of predictive intelligence coming out of our elites....until reality is shoved into their face. They don't make em like they use to. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2022 7.54pm) Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can) I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful
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W12 20 Jun 22 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can) I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful It’s basically new media - there are a gazillion different platforms and news shows/sources now as trust in the media is collapsing and on the Ukraine situation you can find independent Journalists like Vanessa Beeley or Eva Bartlett and military analysts like Scott Ritter. “The Duran” are a good source for geopolitics and Ukraine and I find the UK Column show a great source to be informed on general political and social issues.
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Stirlingsays 20 Jun 22 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can) I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful My post refers a little to the current war but really it was mainly my irritation at what is presented to the British public by the media/government and specifically about policy toward the British military since the nineties....all apparently delivered to us by 'experts'. I can't say just how many military reviews we have had which boldly stated how our forces needed to be reduced in size because conventual armies weren't required anymore. For me, I don't think people deserve the status, power and inflated income if their takes are actually wrong. For me the lesson of history is that using the military as a cost saving department has negative real world effects in hard power and even more importantly perception and influence around the world.....AKA, soft power. What to rely on information wise for that? Well, personally I'd say talk to people in the military themselves. People in the professions actually know what's going on....but when it comes to leadership positions it becomes political. So when the new guy comes out with the new take and you get no mention of our past failures and mistaken reviews it actually p1sses me off....all their defenders have are excuses. In terms of information sources for this war, I would recommend Telegram, as both Ukrainian and Russia sources post war videos and claims there....though that should come with the warning that battlefield coverage can be very grisly and don't watch it if it understandably fecks with your head....the injustice and brutality of war can make you angry. On Telegram I mainly follow Michael De La Broc, who collects and summaries video and claims made by both sides. For more sanitized, objective and summarized views of the battlefield using maps I quite like Defense Politics Asia. If you want to avoid biased language and deliberate omissions that favour one or other side he's quite good at trying to find the truth within the fog of war. There is New World Econ as well, though I've only just hit upon his stuff and he sounds like a bit of a stoner so take that with a pinch of salt. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.03pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 22 6.45pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
It’s basically new media - there are a gazillion different platforms and news shows/sources now as trust in the media is collapsing and on the Ukraine situation you can find independent Journalists like Vanessa Beeley or Eva Bartlett and military analysts like Scott Ritter. “The Duran” are a good source for geopolitics and Ukraine and I find the UK Column show a great source to be informed on general political and social issues. Ah, the reliable source of "information", aka misinformation, arising from the unedited, unverified minds of amateurs, barrack room "experts" and politically motivated muck rakers lumped together as the "new media". I prefer to call it what it is. Biased opinion, masquerading as reporting. Those who trust this, rather than genuine journalism, just because what is said is a better fit with their own world view, are fools to themselves and won't be taken seriously by either me, or by anyone with a truly objective outlook.
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W12 20 Jun 22 7.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Ah, the reliable source of "information", aka misinformation, arising from the unedited, unverified minds of amateurs, barrack room "experts" and politically motivated muck rakers lumped together as the "new media". I prefer to call it what it is. Biased opinion, masquerading as reporting. Those who trust this, rather than genuine journalism, just because what is said is a better fit with their own world view, are fools to themselves and won't be taken seriously by either me, or by anyone with a truly objective outlook. What is “misinformation”?
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Stirlingsays 20 Jun 22 7.07pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
What is “misinformation”? Don't bother, he's already previously admitted that lying is justified if it fits a preferred purpose. No one who actually sees merit in people trying to be objective...who had followed his posts over the years, can take anything he says on honesty or 'misinformation' seriously. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.17pm)
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W12 20 Jun 22 8.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't bother, he's already previously admitted that lying is justified if it fits a preferred purpose. No one who actually sees merit in people trying to be objective...who had followed his posts over the years, can take anything he says on honesty or 'misinformation' seriously. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.17pm) Yeah, I know. My point is that misinformation is just a made up word that’s used because inconvenient truths cannot be labelled as lies
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 20 Jun 22 8.52pm | |
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Nick Abbott on LBC every weekend, catch him on his podcast, best voice on radio- it will give you righties nightmares but is the voice of reason!
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Stirlingsays 21 Jun 22 2.34am | |
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In an interesting move the Ukrainian government has permanently banned the opposition party. Opposition Platform - For Life received the second most votes in Ukraine's 2019 parliamentary election. However, the Eighth Administrative Court of Appeal upheld the Zelensky Administration's decision to ban it. No journalists were allowed in the court. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jun 2022 2.49am)
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W12 21 Jun 22 7.59am | |
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Lithuania's railway blockade of Kaliningrad is a very dangerous move. This is a direct provocation to hostilities by the EU and NATO and a further attempt to escalate by the west. At the same time you have this t*** of a general openly calling for a land war which we would fight with our non-existent armoured divisions I assume. I simply do not know how people were convinced that it might be a good idea to fight a war with another nuclear power and that the outcome to that could in any way be a good one. We have no serious people any more.
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