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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 20 Jun 22 11.10am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I think there's a lot that posters can agree on. I think we are all after the same outcome(s), but divided on how we might get there.
My own experience of 'experts' is not favourable. One might consider Cressida Dicks, who although knighted by the Establishment for services to police, was considered unfit for office by the Mayor of London (another expert)
I also cite Sir Chris Witty as another who buckled to political pressure with his science guidance.
The frustration with myself is that these 'experts' are paid significant amounts for their expertise, and yet still bumble around like blindfolded drunks, making one mistake after another until "we get there, in the end".
I have known many squaddies over the year who have moaned "why have we been given this 4hlt ?" on receiving new kit.
The aircraft carrier debacle recently left our island with no carriers, then carriers without aircraft.
There are many other examples.

This is what really grips my goat.

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 20 Jun 22 11.51am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

A show of fortitude and resilience from Boris.

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"Ukraine should be given the chance to host the Eurovision Song Contest in 2023, the UK prime minister has said.

Speaking to journalists after returning from its capital, Kyiv, Boris Johnson said the streets there were lively and Ukrainians were "confident"." (BBC)

completely disregarding the fact that the UK holds no sway over Europe any more, and shouldn't even be in Eurovision, by rights.

Just glad he has answers to the big questions out there,...

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Beanyboysmd Flag 20 Jun 22 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Why would you regard anything coming out of the top level of our military as particularly note worthy?

Most, if not all of them are establishment picks and yes men.

Along with governments they have got just about every military review wrong for about twenty years....each review lopping off parts of the military.

They are the very reason we don't have an army fit for a land war.

A military that went with light and mobile.....That's the level of predictive intelligence coming out of our elites....until reality is shoved into their face.

They don't make em like they use to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can)
Where should we get our military information from if our military information is no good? You cant say our military information is no good unless you have a better source of military info, where is it? How are you getting your information?

I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful

 

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W12 20 Jun 22 3.40pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can)
Where should we get our military information from if our military information is no good? You cant say our military information is no good unless you have a better source of military info, where is it? How are you getting your information?

I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful

It’s basically new media - there are a gazillion different platforms and news shows/sources now as trust in the media is collapsing and on the Ukraine situation you can find independent Journalists like Vanessa Beeley or Eva Bartlett and military analysts like Scott Ritter. “The Duran” are a good source for geopolitics and Ukraine and I find the UK Column show a great source to be informed on general political and social issues.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jun 22 5.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Ive heard all this before but (and im not doing this to control a narrative, its just nobody with your views generally give a good answer so I am hoping you can)
Where should we get our military information from if our military information is no good? You cant say our military information is no good unless you have a better source of military info, where is it? How are you getting your information?

I tend to disagree with you on almost everything but I can tell that your positions are usually based on much better research than most people with similar worldview so knowing where you are getting your info on this would actually be really useful

My post refers a little to the current war but really it was mainly my irritation at what is presented to the British public by the media/government and specifically about policy toward the British military since the nineties....all apparently delivered to us by 'experts'.

I can't say just how many military reviews we have had which boldly stated how our forces needed to be reduced in size because conventual armies weren't required anymore. For me, I don't think people deserve the status, power and inflated income if their takes are actually wrong.

For me the lesson of history is that using the military as a cost saving department has negative real world effects in hard power and even more importantly perception and influence around the world.....AKA, soft power.

What to rely on information wise for that? Well, personally I'd say talk to people in the military themselves. People in the professions actually know what's going on....but when it comes to leadership positions it becomes political.

So when the new guy comes out with the new take and you get no mention of our past failures and mistaken reviews it actually p1sses me off....all their defenders have are excuses.

In terms of information sources for this war, I would recommend Telegram, as both Ukrainian and Russia sources post war videos and claims there....though that should come with the warning that battlefield coverage can be very grisly and don't watch it if it understandably fecks with your head....the injustice and brutality of war can make you angry.

On Telegram I mainly follow Michael De La Broc, who collects and summaries video and claims made by both sides.
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For more sanitized, objective and summarized views of the battlefield using maps I quite like Defense Politics Asia.

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If you want to avoid biased language and deliberate omissions that favour one or other side he's quite good at trying to find the truth within the fog of war.

There is New World Econ as well, though I've only just hit upon his stuff and he sounds like a bit of a stoner so take that with a pinch of salt.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.03pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 22 6.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

It’s basically new media - there are a gazillion different platforms and news shows/sources now as trust in the media is collapsing and on the Ukraine situation you can find independent Journalists like Vanessa Beeley or Eva Bartlett and military analysts like Scott Ritter. “The Duran” are a good source for geopolitics and Ukraine and I find the UK Column show a great source to be informed on general political and social issues.

Ah, the reliable source of "information", aka misinformation, arising from the unedited, unverified minds of amateurs, barrack room "experts" and politically motivated muck rakers lumped together as the "new media".

I prefer to call it what it is. Biased opinion, masquerading as reporting. Those who trust this, rather than genuine journalism, just because what is said is a better fit with their own world view, are fools to themselves and won't be taken seriously by either me, or by anyone with a truly objective outlook.

 


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W12 20 Jun 22 7.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Ah, the reliable source of "information", aka misinformation, arising from the unedited, unverified minds of amateurs, barrack room "experts" and politically motivated muck rakers lumped together as the "new media".

I prefer to call it what it is. Biased opinion, masquerading as reporting. Those who trust this, rather than genuine journalism, just because what is said is a better fit with their own world view, are fools to themselves and won't be taken seriously by either me, or by anyone with a truly objective outlook.

What is “misinformation”?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jun 22 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

What is “misinformation”?

Don't bother, he's already previously admitted that lying is justified if it fits a preferred purpose.

No one who actually sees merit in people trying to be objective...who had followed his posts over the years, can take anything he says on honesty or 'misinformation' seriously.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.17pm)

 


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W12 20 Jun 22 8.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Don't bother, he's already previously admitted that lying is justified if it fits a preferred purpose.

No one who actually sees merit in people trying to be objective...who had followed his posts over the years, can take anything he says on honesty or 'misinformation' seriously.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 7.17pm)

Yeah, I know. My point is that misinformation is just a made up word that’s used because inconvenient truths cannot be labelled as lies

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 20 Jun 22 8.52pm

Nick Abbott on LBC every weekend, catch him on his podcast, best voice on radio- it will give you righties nightmares but is the voice of reason!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Jun 22 2.34am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

In an interesting move the Ukrainian government has permanently banned the opposition party.

Opposition Platform - For Life received the second most votes in Ukraine's 2019 parliamentary election.

However, the Eighth Administrative Court of Appeal upheld the Zelensky Administration's decision to ban it.

No journalists were allowed in the court.

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W12 21 Jun 22 7.59am

Lithuania's railway blockade of Kaliningrad is a very dangerous move. This is a direct provocation to hostilities by the EU and NATO and a further attempt to escalate by the west.

At the same time you have this t*** of a general openly calling for a land war which we would fight with our non-existent armoured divisions I assume.

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I simply do not know how people were convinced that it might be a good idea to fight a war with another nuclear power and that the outcome to that could in any way be a good one. We have no serious people any more.

 

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