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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 7.48am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Thank you for your insightful contribution to this debate Indeed. I think Wilf has always had half an eye on 'bigger things' than Palace which would fit with just about every other footballer currently employed within the game. The likes of Jack Grealish, who I think is an interesting comparison, got their big move early, from his boyhood club who are now in Europe, and had it work out for them whereas for Wilf it did not. I always wonder if Sir Alex would have been a different story for him altogether. Wilf is such a unique player that I think it was always going to be hard for him to integrate seamlessly into another team let alone a 'big' one. The difference at Palace is the team seems almost moulded to accommodate him whereas bigger clubs were highly unlikely to do this. A comparable player is Saint-Maximin for Newcastle who seems to have dropped down their pecking order upon the arrival of major funds and a manager looking to mould a team beyond one tricky winger. It's been a marriage made in heaven for us. We've survived in the PL despite being unable to procure several top level attacking players over the years as we could rely upon Wilf to provide a huge proportion of our attacking threat, which he can do single-handedly. Unfortunately only a team like ours, with limited funds available, would be willing to accommodate a player like Wilf for this purpose. Bigger teams, his desired destination, do not and thus have not looked to. He can help keep a team in the PL but cannot, as no player could, fire a team single-handedly to silverware let alone major success. The 200k p/w at 30, and with us seemingly above the 'just fight for survival' cohort of PL teams now is truly a litmus test the club, fans and Wilf. I'd like to suggest that saying he may not now be worth such a contract can be an opinion existent alongside the acknowledgement of just how monumental he has been for us as a player and his unparalleled contribution to our team over the past 15 years. I would suggest Wilf's desire to move on from Palace is a brutal reality fans have to expect and accept as much as Wilf will have to with the opinion that he may now not be worth that sort of contract and it would not reflect good business for the club. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 7.48am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Thank you for your insightful contribution to this debate

Indeed.

I think Wilf has always had half an eye on 'bigger things' than Palace which would fit with just about every other footballer currently employed within the game. The likes of Jack Grealish, who I think is an interesting comparison, got their big move early, from his boyhood club who are now in Europe, and had it work out for them whereas for Wilf it did not. I always wonder if Sir Alex would have been a different story for him altogether.

Wilf is such a unique player that I think it was always going to be hard for him to integrate seamlessly into another team let alone a 'big' one. The difference at Palace is the team seems almost moulded to accommodate him whereas bigger clubs were highly unlikely to do this. A comparable player is Saint-Maximin for Newcastle who seems to have dropped down their pecking order upon the arrival of major funds and a manager looking to mould a team beyond one tricky winger.

It's been a marriage made in heaven for us. We've survived in the PL despite being unable to procure several top level attacking players over the years as we could rely upon Wilf to provide a huge proportion of our attacking threat, which he can do single-handedly. Unfortunately only a team like ours, with limited funds available, would be willing to accommodate a player like Wilf for this purpose. Bigger teams, his desired destination, do not and thus have not looked to. He can help keep a team in the PL but cannot, as no player could, fire a team single-handedly to silverware let alone major success.

The 200k p/w at 30, and with us seemingly above the 'just fight for survival' cohort of PL teams now is truly a litmus test the club, fans and Wilf. I'd like to suggest that saying he may not now be worth such a contract can be an opinion existent alongside the acknowledgement of just how monumental he has been for us as a player and his unparalleled contribution to our team over the past 15 years.

I would suggest Wilf's desire to move on from Palace is a brutal reality fans have to expect and accept as much as Wilf will have to with the opinion that he may now not be worth that sort of contract and it would not reflect good business for the club.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 16 Jun 23 9.24am
Originally posted by Jacey Poor little Wilf,so many offers and options that he needs yet more time to consider them all. This indecision is sickening from the clubs point of view,as they cannot make any future decisions without knowing his intentions and time is marching on. We all know that he has wanted to leave at the end of every season since he submitted a transfer request back in 2018 when he was heavily linked with Emery's Arsenal,but laughably,cannot now make quite a straightforward decision. Me thinks time for a deadline to concentrate his mind. [Link] Edited by Jacey (14 Jun 2023 10.03pm) sickening? Come on have a word with yourself. A player takes a while to consider his future. Hardly unexpected, hardly a unique situation.
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Originally posted by Jacey

Poor little Wilf,so many offers and options that he needs yet more time to consider them all.
This indecision is sickening from the clubs point of view,as they cannot make any future decisions without knowing his intentions and time is marching on.
We all know that he has wanted to leave at the end of every season since he submitted a transfer request back in 2018 when he was heavily linked with Emery's Arsenal,but laughably,cannot now make quite a straightforward decision.
Me thinks time for a deadline to concentrate his mind.

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Edited by Jacey (14 Jun 2023 10.03pm)

sickening? Come on have a word with yourself. A player takes a while to consider his future. Hardly unexpected, hardly a unique situation.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 16 Jun 23 9.45am
Originally posted by Daddyorc Yawn. quote=Palace in the Blood;3803102] I am sorry I think it is time for Wilf to go. Yes he has been a major player and to use that much over used phrase a legend but there are many reasons the time has come to say thank you but goodbye. It is madness for a club of our size and finances to pay anyone 200k per week Similarly a player whose star is definitely on the wane be offered a 4 year deal. it is unlikely he will be a first choice starter for more than the first year and then an impact sub? Extending Wilf's contract will have a number of effects Firstly it will restrict the money we can pay new recruits and hence calibre Secondly it restricts the development of our own academy players who may or may not be good enough but they need the oportunity Thirdly Any proposed Wilf replacement will not sign for us until they know what wilf is doing they want to know that they have agood chance of starting The current Wilf hasn't decided is really detrimental to our future. In my view we should withdraw our offer and start to plan for the life without him. Find a player that suits us in terms of age, talent , financial feasability and most important fit to the ethos of Crystal Palace. This may sound harsh but football is harsh. I realise that replacing Wilf is not simple but we are no longer a 1 man team. We need to plan for the future and can not stay rooted in the past. By not moving forward now all we are doing is putting off an inevitable descision for another time when suitable replacements may not be available I tend to agree. And if we could sign say Jack Harrison, I'd take him on modest wages vs a 30yrd Wilf on mega bucks all day. AS always it feels like this window is pivotal. We're got a really exciting nucleus of a team, and a couple of good signings could really help us kick on. As much as I love Wilf, c. 4years on c.200k will end up being a millstone.
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Chaldon 16 Jun 23 9.45am

Originally posted by Daddyorc

Yawn.

quote=Palace in the Blood;3803102]

I am sorry I think it is time for Wilf to go. Yes he has been a major player and to use that much over used phrase a legend but there are many reasons the time has come to say thank you but goodbye.

It is madness for a club of our size and finances to pay anyone 200k per week

Similarly a player whose star is definitely on the wane be offered a 4 year deal. it is unlikely he will be a first choice starter for more than the first year and then an impact sub?

Extending Wilf's contract will have a number of effects

Firstly it will restrict the money we can pay new recruits and hence calibre

Secondly it restricts the development of our own academy players who may or may not be good enough but they need the oportunity

Thirdly Any proposed Wilf replacement will not sign for us
until they know what wilf is doing they want to know that they have agood chance of starting

The current Wilf hasn't decided is really detrimental to our future. In my view we should withdraw our offer and start to plan for the life without him. Find a player that suits us in terms of age, talent , financial feasability and most important fit to the ethos of Crystal Palace.

This may sound harsh but football is harsh. I realise that replacing Wilf is not simple but we are no longer a 1 man team. We need to plan for the future and can not stay rooted in the past. By not moving forward now all we are doing is putting off an inevitable descision for another time when suitable replacements may not be available

I tend to agree. And if we could sign say Jack Harrison, I'd take him on modest wages vs a 30yrd Wilf on mega bucks all day.

AS always it feels like this window is pivotal. We're got a really exciting nucleus of a team, and a couple of good signings could really help us kick on.

As much as I love Wilf, c. 4years on c.200k will end up being a millstone.

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PJEagle London 16 Jun 23 1.17pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo I tend to agree. And if we could sign say Jack Harrison, I'd take him on modest wages vs a 30yrd Wilf on mega bucks all day. AS always it feels like this window is pivotal. We're got a really exciting nucleus of a team, and a couple of good signings could really help us kick on. As much as I love Wilf, c. 4years on c.200k will end up being a millstone. It will be best for Palace and Wilf if he moves on. Unfortunately for Wilf and the club he moves to it won't be easy, as he has a difficult personality
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London 16 Jun 23 1.17pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I tend to agree. And if we could sign say Jack Harrison, I'd take him on modest wages vs a 30yrd Wilf on mega bucks all day.

AS always it feels like this window is pivotal. We're got a really exciting nucleus of a team, and a couple of good signings could really help us kick on.

As much as I love Wilf, c. 4years on c.200k will end up being a millstone.

It will be best for Palace and Wilf if he moves on. Unfortunately for Wilf and the club he moves to it won't be easy, as he has a difficult personality

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Jacey 16 Jun 23 1.48pm
Wisdom dictates that the much debated offer of this quite ridiculous salary should be withdrawn immediately. This character has been talking about leaving at the end of every season ,submitting transfer requests and now time to call an end to his time at Palace,before he signs the new contract and burdens us with ridiculous commitments.
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16 Jun 23 1.48pm

Wisdom dictates that the much debated offer of this quite ridiculous salary should be withdrawn immediately.
This character has been talking about leaving at the end of every season ,submitting transfer requests and now time to call an end to his time at Palace,before he signs the new contract and burdens us with ridiculous commitments.

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taylors lovechild 16 Jun 23 2.57pm
Spreading the rumour he's been offered 200k per week is good for both sides as Palace can say they did everything they could to get him to stay if he does leave, while Wilf's agent can tell interested clubs that's what they need to at least match. Another figure of 150k was also doing the rounds at one point which seems more likely, albeit too high really. Unless either side comes out to confirm the figure offered then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
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Spreading the rumour he's been offered 200k per week is good for both sides as Palace can say they did everything they could to get him to stay if he does leave, while Wilf's agent can tell interested clubs that's what they need to at least match. Another figure of 150k was also doing the rounds at one point which seems more likely, albeit too high really. Unless either side comes out to confirm the figure offered then I'd take it with a pinch of salt.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 16 Jun 23 3.03pm
Originally posted by Jacey Wisdom dictates that the much debated offer of this quite ridiculous salary should be withdrawn immediately. This character has been talking about leaving at the end of every season ,submitting transfer requests and now time to call an end to his time at Palace,before he signs the new contract and burdens us with ridiculous commitments. ..blimey you've got two big Crystal balls haven't you.
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Originally posted by Jacey

..blimey you've got two big Crystal balls haven't you.

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HesHereHesThere Beckenham 16 Jun 23 3.09pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Great way to talk about the guy who has kept us up for ten years. He is out of contract and perfectly entitled to do what he pleases. The fact that he hasn't publicly stated what he plans to do could be for several reasons, one of which could be that he has been asked to wait for the best time commercially for the club. They are entitled to do that while his contract is still running. It ends 30th June. I get your point but as a grown man of 30 years he should just front up and do an Mbappe and say what his intentions are...he should have done it ages ago. If he wants to go then fvcking go, if he wants to stay, then stay but don't take the piss with wages as that will set a precedent we can't afford. Its all bollox really Edited by HesHereHesThere (16 Jun 2023 3.40pm)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Great way to talk about the guy who has kept us up for ten years.

He is out of contract and perfectly entitled to do what he pleases.
The fact that he hasn't publicly stated what he plans to do could be for several reasons, one of which could be that he has been asked to wait for the best time commercially for the club.

They are entitled to do that while his contract is still running. It ends 30th June.

I get your point but as a grown man of 30 years he should just front up and do an Mbappe and say what his intentions are...he should have done it ages ago. If he wants to go then fvcking go, if he wants to stay, then stay but don't take the piss with wages as that will set a precedent we can't afford.

Its all bollox really

Edited by HesHereHesThere (16 Jun 2023 3.40pm)

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 16 Jun 23 3.17pm
Originally posted by Jacey Wisdom dictates that the much debated offer of this quite ridiculous salary should be withdrawn immediately. This character has been talking about leaving at the end of every season ,submitting transfer requests and now time to call an end to his time at Palace,before he signs the new contract and burdens us with ridiculous commitments. Correct “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 16 Jun 23 3.17pm

Originally posted by Jacey

Correct

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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TrickyboyVn Ho Chi Minh City 18 Jun 23 4.23pm
Wilfs been great But we can’t afford a 200k a week or so player who isnt world class anymore As a Palacefan for 50 years, just too emotional decision Let him go For 4 years I’d make his decision easy and offer50k per week Market value (As yet not seeing the queue!!!)
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Ho Chi Minh City 18 Jun 23 4.23pm

Wilfs been great
But we can’t afford a 200k a week or so player who isnt world class anymore
As a Palacefan for 50 years, just too emotional decision
Let him go
For 4 years I’d make his decision easy and offer50k per week
Market value
(As yet not seeing the queue!!!)

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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 18 Jun 23 4.46pm
Originally posted by Palace in the Blood I am sorry I think it is time for Wilf to go. Yes he has been a major player and to use that much over used phrase a legend but there are many reasons the time has come to say thank you but goodbye. It is madness for a club of our size and finances to pay anyone 200k per week Similarly a player whose star is definitely on the wane be offered a 4 year deal. it is unlikely he will be a first choice starter for more than the first year and then an impact sub? Extending Wilf's contract will have a number of effects Firstly it will restrict the money we can pay new recruits and hence calibre Secondly it restricts the development of our own academy players who may or may not be good enough but they need the oportunity Thirdly Any proposed Wilf replacement will not sign for us until they know what wilf is doing they want to know that they have agood chance of starting The current Wilf hasn't decided is really detrimental to our future. In my view we should withdraw our offer and start to plan for the life without him. Find a player that suits us in terms of age, talent , financial feasability and most important fit to the ethos of Crystal Palace. This may sound harsh but football is harsh. I realise that replacing Wilf is not simple but we are no longer a 1 man team. We need to plan for the future and can not stay rooted in the past. By not moving forward now all we are doing is putting off an inevitable descision for another time when suitable replacements may not be available An absolutely superb post and very much echoing my sentiments.
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Crowborough 18 Jun 23 4.46pm

Originally posted by Palace in the Blood

I am sorry I think it is time for Wilf to go. Yes he has been a major player and to use that much over used phrase a legend but there are many reasons the time has come to say thank you but goodbye.

It is madness for a club of our size and finances to pay anyone 200k per week

Similarly a player whose star is definitely on the wane be offered a 4 year deal. it is unlikely he will be a first choice starter for more than the first year and then an impact sub?

Extending Wilf's contract will have a number of effects

Firstly it will restrict the money we can pay new recruits and hence calibre

Secondly it restricts the development of our own academy players who may or may not be good enough but they need the oportunity

Thirdly Any proposed Wilf replacement will not sign for us
until they know what wilf is doing they want to know that they have agood chance of starting

An absolutely superb post and very much echoing my sentiments.

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Gribbo Bromley 18 Jun 23 5.19pm
Time to move on. He has been great for us, but all good things come to an end. Let him play in the French or Saudi leagues for massive money as he edges to retirement. Half a dozen decent games a year for us is too high a price to pay. Get some kids in who want it more. Jack Clarke is not a bad shout.
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Bromley 18 Jun 23 5.19pm

Time to move on. He has been great for us, but all good things come to an end. Let him play in the French or Saudi leagues for massive money as he edges to retirement. Half a dozen decent games a year for us is too high a price to pay. Get some kids in who want it more. Jack Clarke is not a bad shout.

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