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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 14 Feb 17 8.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset



I'm not sure what your point is. Cameron would have been told to keep the cheap labour coming in is there to highlight capitalism not defend it.

It's opinion gained from his communist father. Was Cameron told to keep the cheap labour coming in, or is it what he thinks Cameron was told? Labour, when in power, kept telling us we needed the immigrants and migrant workers. Who is right, or more importantly, wrong?

Don't spin this back to refugees. That's a separate issue.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (14 Feb 2017 8.28pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Feb 17 8.54pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3128493]

It's opinion gained from his communist father. Was Cameron told to keep the cheap labour coming in, or is it what he thinks Cameron was told? Labour, when in power, kept telling us we needed the immigrants and migrant workers. Who is right, or more importantly, wrong?

Don't spin this back to refugees. That's a separate issue.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (14 Feb 2017 8.28pm)

The current labour leader's view is that stopping exploitation and ensuring a decent wage is paid will help stop this.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Feb 17 9.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The current labour leader's view is that stopping exploitation and ensuring a decent wage is paid will help stop this.

He is delusional.

 

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 14 Feb 17 9.58pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The current labour leader's view is that stopping exploitation and ensuring a decent wage is paid will help stop this.

It's a noble view. How do you think he could achieve this? Does he have a plan, other than tax the rich, which addresses the problem? I heard rumours of wage capping, but that isn't gonna go far. We live in a dog eat dog world, where the only winner is the alpha. This is not new. And ideology cannot change it. The 'Have's' will always win. The only difference the 'Have not's' can achieve, is to work hard for a pittance. The problems of the moment is that the 'Have not's' of Europe are welcome to whatever pittance is available in this country. Diluting that pittance to the point of poverty. That's not racism, that's survival.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 15 Feb 17 8.49pm

For those of you still thinking that 'racism' was the root of Brexit, please take heed of the attached link. Another British company will disappear soon:

[Link]

Unfortunately, globalisation brings with it inherent dangers to the lives of a significant proportion of the country. Having what is perceived as a lack of influence over important matters, such as one of the largest manufacturing sites in the U.K. potentially being closed because of a deal between a US company and French company, drives people away from supporting the 'open borders, supranational' project that is the EU.

Protectionism offers a degree of hope, albeit I believe protectionism for protectionism's sake is futile. What is the riposte from the federalists? Having a seat at the table provides influence? Pull the other one. At least being out of the club gives us room to manoeuvre that doesn't contradict those weighted 'rules' emanating from Brussels.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 16 Feb 17 2.49am

Originally posted by matt_himself

For those of you still thinking that 'racism' was the root of Brexit, please take heed of the attached link. Another British company will disappear soon:

[Link]

Unfortunately, globalisation brings with it inherent dangers to the lives of a significant proportion of the country. Having what is perceived as a lack of influence over important matters, such as one of the largest manufacturing sites in the U.K. potentially being closed because of a deal between a US company and French company, drives people away from supporting the 'open borders, supranational' project that is the EU.

Protectionism offers a degree of hope, albeit I believe protectionism for protectionism's sake is futile. What is the riposte from the federalists? Having a seat at the table provides influence? Pull the other one. At least being out of the club gives us room to manoeuvre that doesn't contradict those weighted 'rules' emanating from Brussels.

Part-owned by the French govt. As per Ford, they'll probably get an "EU" grant (ie UK taxpayer money) to move production out of the UK. Expect it won't be non-EU Turkey we're gifting our jobs to this time, it'll be the French.

That's ok though. The French state part-own our energy suppliers, gas, transport... Ever wonder why we pay so much for all that over here? The joys of "globalisation" . We'll be subsidising their government for Hinkley C as well, if all goes to plan.

 

Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 17 12.15pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Were it not for blogs, Gusset would be robbed of any supporting 'evidence' for some of his more fanciful and crypto-Stalinist notions and impractical, idealistic nonsense.

Hahaha..... another Dermot Masterclass in put downs!

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Feb 17 1.00pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Hahaha..... another Dermot Masterclass in put downs!

If anyone should be put down...

 

Part Time James Flag 16 Feb 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If anyone should be put down...

You sound like Gareth Snell!

 




nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Feb 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

You sound like Gareth Snell!

I don't mind Janet Street Porter, he's right on Dianne Abbott. Never seen loose women.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 17 4.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He is delusional.

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 16 Feb 17 5.12pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

Very good analysis. I agree with practically all of it - but aren't you in danger of having the whip withdrawn from the comrades for saying it?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Feb 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Very good analysis. I agree with practically all of it - but aren't you in danger of having the whip withdrawn from the comrades for saying it?

We've already fallen out over whether Marx preferred poached or scrambled eggs.

Edited by nickgusset (16 Feb 2017 5.27pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Feb 17 5.40pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

A fair assessment.
However, ultimately, we will all still pay for an increased minimum wage through a mark up on the cost of goods and services.
I have to honestly say that my primary concern is how a continuing flow of foreign labour will effect my children's future.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Feb 2017 5.41pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 16 Feb 17 6.58pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Raising minimum wage, would arguably help, given that one of the primary factors in low skill manual labour is that the wages have stagnated due to demand being supplied from poorer nations (where the exchange rate makes working for 16-20k a year with no dependents viable in a way that it isn't for UK residents with families or dependents).

But the upshot of raising the minimum wage is that it would likely attract higher qualified migrant workers from those same countries, into the same jobs - Which is even worse for those countries (who are already losing degree graduates to the UK to do fairly average jobs).

The only beneficiaries from the Freedom of Movement have been corporations. They've garnered a great profit from the fact wages have been suppressed by cheap sources of labour, whilst successive governments (including Labour) have actually cut corporation taxes and allowed many such companies to shelter from tax contributions.

So basically, Corporate interests benefitted from cheap labour, tax cuts and tax exemptions, at the expense of British citizens. Meanwhile, countries supplying that labour, have been effectively robbed of skilled labour and the 'cream of the generation'.

Unsurprisingly, many of those countries have also seen increasing unrest and problems created, in effect, by the exploitation of Freedom of Movement that's removed 'their best and brightest'.

And sadly it'll only ever get worse.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 17 Feb 17 8.39am

Tony Blair calls for people to 'rise up' against Brexit:

[Link]

I am sure this intervention by such a venerated statesman, will stop Article 50 being triggered.

I am also looking forward to lefties defending his comments and saying he 'has a point', given that 'Blairite' is a worse insult that 'nonce' in their circle.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Feb 17 9.40am

This is a good day for the 16 million people who have little or no representation in Parliament.

If he can soften the hard brexit it can be good for the country.


 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 17 Feb 17 9.49am

I understand that EU Commissioners have warned that we will have to change the name of Brussels Sprouts to something else if we quit the 'union'.

 


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npn Flag Crowborough 17 Feb 17 10.28am

Originally posted by steeleye20

This is a good day for the 16 million people who have little or no representation in Parliament.

If he can soften the hard brexit it can be good for the country.

But who on earth will listen to Blair? Busted flush, who can see his chance of EU president disappearing, and is trying to hang on.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Feb 17 10.36am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I understand that EU Commissioners have warned that we will have to change the name of Brussels Sprouts to something else if we quit the 'union'.

Guffballs?

 

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