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View Ouzo Dan's Profile Ouzo Dan 17 Sep 22 5.42am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They are going to be stormtroopers tasked to operate in the combat zone for six months taking ground. Many of them won't survive and I should imagine far less will end up walking the streets than if they had served out their sentence.

My point being this is a recipe for wars crimes until their ultimate demise on the front lines.

 


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Mass grave uncovered in Izyum

Most apparently appear to be victims of war & hastily buried a few claims that some of the buried were executed but I've seen no evidence of that.

Not safe for work

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy scared of physical violence waffles on about appeasement.

Easy to be brave when it's other people dying isn't it.

I'm not a neo con, cheering on the continuance of a pointless war.

The dead of either side lying on those battlefields are there because of people like you.

With people like me this war would never have happened.

I warned on this very site that electing Biden would bring foreign wars.....which you denied, and as usual you were wrong.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2022 11.36pm)

Brave? It's you that keeps saying we should appease Putin to avoid you and your family being nuked, not Wisbech.
Meanwhile, the Russians are still on the run, which is great.

Edited by georgenorman (17 Sep 2022 8.08am)

 

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Edited by georgenorman (17 Sep 2022 8.08am)

 

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All those convicts will just be more meat for the grinder. They will be up against seasoned soldiers so it will be like shooting fish in a barrel I’m afraid!
You can bet desertion will be a cause of death for some once they realise hmp Stalingrad was a better option.

 

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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Mass grave uncovered in Izyum

Most apparently appear to be victims of war & hastily buried a few claims that some of the buried were executed but I've seen no evidence of that.

Not safe for work


But as a commentator said last night, most 'hastily buried' victims of war are usually just chucked into a mass grave - not laid out neatly in rows in individual plots with a numbered marker.....

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy scared of physical violence waffles on about appeasement.

Easy to be brave when it's other people dying isn't it.

I'm not a neo con, cheering on the continuance of a pointless war.

The dead of either side lying on those battlefields are there because of people like you.

With people like me this war would never have happened.

I warned on this very site that electing Biden would bring foreign wars.....which you denied, and as usual you were wrong.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Sep 2022 11.36pm)

That you think disapproving of physical violence means being scared of it, indicates a very warped mindset. Bullies think the strongest should dominate. Others think ideas must.

The election of Biden has nothing to do with this. Indeed it is more puzzling as to why Putin didn’t do it whilst Trump was still in office as he would have been less likely to have agreed to the level of support needed, and been a difficulty to NATO. Biden has been resolute by comparison.

The whole basis of the nuclear deterrent, of assured mutual destruction, is, and has always been, terrifying. That’s its point though, and it works.

Putin uses that terror as a weapon, just as much as he uses energy. He wants us to believe he is unstable and could do the unthinkable. He uses the fear of people like you to weaken the resolve of those directing our support for Ukraine. They are pawns in the hands of Putin and are being manipulated by social media trolls based in Russia, who sow the web with propaganda.

This is not a “pointless war”. It’s the invasion of a sovereign state by a much bigger neighbour. We allow it to succeed at our peril. Appeasement doesn’t work. It makes eventual outcomes worse by delay. Finding ways to satisfy all the genuine concerns and desires of the people involved can only be done with careful and honest negotiation.

By the use of ideas. Not by bullies.

I see some straws in the wind that suggest there is a glimmer of hope that those ideas may be about to surface.

 


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Originally posted by georgenorman

Brave? It's you that keeps saying we should appease Putin to avoid you and your family being nuked, not Wisbech.
Meanwhile, the Russians are still on the run, which is great.

Edited by georgenorman (17 Sep 2022 8.08am)

What kind of idiot thinks that understanding the incredible generational human destruction of nuclear impacts equates to a lack of bravery.

I know the value of violence and I know its destruction.

No one should advocate for a war that they are not prepared to fight and die in.

I don't fight stupid wars.

 


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According to Bloomberg Europe is preparing a blackout plan to prevent winter chaos and uncontrolled outages.

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Russians are saying that they had to endure 'rolling blackouts' after the collapse of the USSR in the nineties.

Just remember those who advocated for prolonging this war between slavs when you can't even afford to heat your home or pay your bills and you have to deal with not even having electricity along with the privilege.

Idiocy.

 


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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

My point being this is a recipe for wars crimes until their ultimate demise on the front lines.

It's a valid point.

Morality in war reduces the longer it goes on: slavs are brutal in war and don't have quite the same cultural heritage of restraint.

That's why de-escalation was so important early on....but the 'appeasement' crowd wanted their war and now we are all going to have to suffer for it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Sep 2022 10.55am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What kind of idiot thinks that understanding the incredible generational human destruction of nuclear impacts equates to a lack of bravery.

I know the value of violence and I know its destruction.

No one should advocate for a war that they are not prepared to fight and die in.

I don't fight stupid wars.

Advocating war! I'm advocating solidarity with Ukraine fighting back against a contemptible regime rather than meekly surrendering to them.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Advocating war! I'm advocating solidarity with Ukraine fighting back against a contemptible regime rather than meekly surrendering to them.

Get over there then.

I have no issues with those who want to fight actually fighting.

There are multiple wars going on where you can play goodie and baddie: get going.

I'll fight when it's in my interest to fight. I'll suffer when there's a point and an outcome worth suffering for that doesn't result in huge risk.

 


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