Quite and as said above for the media to hype this up as a latter day Katyn is shameful.

Our politics are close and generally our views align more or less. But Putin will not release huge levels of radioactivity into a neighbouring nation with a prevailing westerly wind blowing it into his own peoples faces.

He will not break the last post war taboo. That will be his legacy. Even the Chinese wont stand with him if he did (the khazaks have already secured a treaty of support from China in the event putin turns his gaze south). I would also be surprised if the military let him although I accept I don't know if he can bypass them.

And there is no such thing as a "tactical" bomb. There is only the bomb.

Isn't there a neutron bomb? It doesn't leave residual radiation?

One more point

Poor lass died a few weeks ago, Olivia I believe

I was talking political implications of the use of nuclear weapons.

A part of me respects the sentiments but there are some reasons why my view isn't your view.

You present the war in goody v baddy terms, which is very much how our media have decided present it....it's no different to what the Russians are doing over there. I often find that while many people will freely admit that the media lie to them they will end up believing most of those lies and half truths.

If you had been reading this thread since it began you would know that firstly my opinion was very much a pro Ukrainian one at the start (which agreed with supplying weapons) to what it is now....which essentially is one where I consider this war a hot potato with no up side to winning even if that were possible.

The reason I aim barbs at WE is mostly because he continually wants to repeat arguments that we have already had earlier in the thread. I can't really be bothered to endlessly repeat myself to the same person only for the same points to be posted at me. Unlike him I don't see myself as on some kind of mission to convince people of a view, I have always come onto Hol to let off steam and just give an opinion. If I think someone is disingenuous then I'm not continually going to engage.

My view changed to basically Victor Orban's 'the war would have been local, but the West intervened and made it global.' As my commentary earlier in the thread shows my position altered once I looked into the causes of this war and just the sheer level of lying that has gone on.

As I said earlier in the thread the real victims of this war are the civilians killed and maimed for the hubris of politicians. I will respect any man who goes to war for their country while not always agreeing with the reasons why....some of those reasons have been lies fed to them....and in the Ukraine conscription has meant that many people have been forced to fight against their will.

You say the Ukraine is a democratic and peaceful country. However the coup in 2014, which forced out the pro Russian president wasn't democratic was it. That's what caused the war back then. Also the Minsk agreement which ended the fighting was broken by the Ukraine by shelling the pro Russian side. The UN recognised that...and that went on for years right up till the invasion....How much of that was you getting in our media?

Both Russia and the west have been meddling in the Ukraine for decades and all this goody/baddy stuff is a smoke screen. People like Biden's son have been working with their corrupt rich right up till a few years ago.....People have been sucking money out of the Ukraine for decades.

Russia is bad and so is Nato.....a plague on all their houses as far as I'm concerned. The sooner this pointless war ends the better.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Sep 2022 5.13pm)

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