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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 11.31am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If a 50 plus seat defeat is all you have to celebrate Steel Eye Span, then have fun with that. I'm sure you will be throwing a party with your Commie friends(if you have any friends) and doing a rendition of 'All Around My Ushanka'. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2017 11.21am) I was referring to brexit as this is the brexit thread.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If a 50 plus seat defeat is all you have to celebrate Steel Eye Span, then have fun with that.

I'm sure you will be throwing a party with your Commie friends(if you have any friends) and doing a rendition of 'All Around My Ushanka'.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2017 11.21am)

I was referring to brexit as this is the brexit thread.

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 11.38am
Originally posted by steeleye20 I was referring to brexit as this is the brexit thread. I see. Do you agree that immigration cannot continue at the current rate? Do you agree that wages for the average worker are being squeezed by immigration? Do you agree that the housing shortage is being made worse by immigration?

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 11.38am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I was referring to brexit as this is the brexit thread.

I see.
Do you agree that immigration cannot continue at the current rate?
Do you agree that wages for the average worker are being squeezed by immigration?
Do you agree that the housing shortage is being made worse by immigration?

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 11.52am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I see. Do you agree that immigration cannot continue at the current rate? Do you agree that wages for the average worker are being squeezed by immigration? Do you agree that the housing shortage is being made worse by immigration? not going there.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 11.52am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

not going there.

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 12.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 not going there. Well you should if you call yourself a communist. It is 'the people' that are being screwed and this election is helping that along. Hope instead of fear? What we have is a football supporter attitude toward politics where people are voting for a side rather than what is in the countries best interests. If Brexit is happening then we needed to be in a strong position to negotiate. Now that has been undermined.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

not going there.

Well you should if you call yourself a communist.

It is 'the people' that are being screwed and this election is helping that along.

Hope instead of fear?

What we have is a football supporter attitude toward politics where people are voting for a side rather than what is in the countries best interests.
If Brexit is happening then we needed to be in a strong position to negotiate. Now that has been undermined.

Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well you should if you call yourself a communist. It is 'the people' that are being screwed and this election is helping that along. Hope instead of fear? What we have is a football supporter attitude toward politics where people are voting for a side rather than what is in the countries best interests. If Brexit is happening then we needed to be in a strong position to negotiate. Now that has been undermined. May could have had a 150 seat majority and we still wouldn't have 'a strong hand' Our default position is up sh1t creek so far as the EU is concerned. They hold the aces and we have a pair of fives. As it was ever thus once the 51.8% voted. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 09 Jun 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well you should if you call yourself a communist.

It is 'the people' that are being screwed and this election is helping that along.

Hope instead of fear?

May could have had a 150 seat majority and we still wouldn't have 'a strong hand' Our default position is up sh1t creek so far as the EU is concerned. They hold the aces and we have a pair of fives. As it was ever thus once the 51.8% voted.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 12.14pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 May could have had a 150 seat majority and we still wouldn't have 'a strong hand' Our default position is up sh1t creek so far as the EU is concerned. They hold the aces and we have a pair of fives. As it was ever thus once the 51.8% voted. Old arguments. Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road. It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals. This is democracy.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Old arguments.
Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road.

It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals.

This is democracy.

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.58pm
The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations. 'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......'

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 2.58pm

The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations.

'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......'

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 4.44pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations. 'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......' Try saying that in a bar in Dublin.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 4.44pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU will be wondering who is going to show up at the forth-coming negotiations.

'Top of the morning to you, O'Flaherty here......'

Try saying that in a bar in Dublin.

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jun 17 4.47pm
Mrs.Doyle to represent the UK in the EU negotiations.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jun 17 4.47pm

Mrs.Doyle to represent the UK in the EU negotiations.

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Old arguments. Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road. It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals. This is democracy. The election was the right call, I thought. Firstly because they needed to validate Brexit policy with the mandate of a general election and secondly because May was a Prime Minister who never faced an General Election. The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'. The Conservatives threw it away, with poorly timed policies that alienated people, May's history of cutting the police and an opposition that somehow managed to put it differences aside and really campaign hard and target voters. That they were so set on Hard Brexit didn't help. The population are behind leaving the EU, but not at 'any cost' which is how people like May sound at times. For most people its about working migrants - and the Tories did nothing about this - from outside of the EU, when they had the chance - and occasionally kept slipping up and saying maybe 'some free movement' etc. With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat. Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Jun 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Old arguments.
Leaving Europe is worth the rocky road.

It was very unwise of the Tories to call an election and it was equally unwise to help create a hung parliament on the basis of naive ideals.

This is democracy.

The election was the right call, I thought. Firstly because they needed to validate Brexit policy with the mandate of a general election and secondly because May was a Prime Minister who never faced an General Election.

The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'.

The Conservatives threw it away, with poorly timed policies that alienated people, May's history of cutting the police and an opposition that somehow managed to put it differences aside and really campaign hard and target voters. That they were so set on Hard Brexit didn't help. The population are behind leaving the EU, but not at 'any cost' which is how people like May sound at times. For most people its about working migrants - and the Tories did nothing about this - from outside of the EU, when they had the chance - and occasionally kept slipping up and saying maybe 'some free movement' etc.

With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat.

Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 5.02pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The election was the right call, I thought. Firstly because they needed to validate Brexit policy with the mandate of a general election and secondly because May was a Prime Minister who never faced an General Election. The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'. The Conservatives threw it away, with poorly timed policies that alienated people, May's history of cutting the police and an opposition that somehow managed to put it differences aside and really campaign hard and target voters. That they were so set on Hard Brexit didn't help. The population are behind leaving the EU, but not at 'any cost' which is how people like May sound at times. For most people its about working migrants - and the Tories did nothing about this - from outside of the EU, when they had the chance - and occasionally kept slipping up and saying maybe 'some free movement' etc. With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat. Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland. Yes it probably seemed like a sure thing and May wanted to be elected properly, but given the Brexit vote shock, the Trump shock and the close proximity of Brexit talks, maybe even a seemingly small risk was too big. Hindsight of course.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 5.02pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The timing wasn't bad either. Labour were in the 'poll toilet'.

With UKIP going to the wall, they really should have cleaned up. Instead, they're probably lucky UKIP wasn't splitting their vote somewhat.

Of course, overlooked in this is how well the Conservatives did in Scotland.

Yes it probably seemed like a sure thing and May wanted to be elected properly, but given the Brexit vote shock, the Trump shock and the close proximity of Brexit talks, maybe even a seemingly small risk was too big.
Hindsight of course.

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.09pm
Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits. Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.09pm

Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits.

Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it.

hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.11pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits. Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it. Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit was just an ego trip with no real benefits.

Do people really want years more of it I don't think so every day people will get more fed up with it.

Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.15pm
Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum. It's f***ed us.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.15pm

Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum.

It's f***ed us.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.20pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum. It's f*ed us. It certainly f*ed him.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.20pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum.

It's f***ed us.

It certainly f***ed him.

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.29pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs. Corbyn will not be hanging himself out to dry over brexit. That's the tory grave-yard.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jun 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Why do you support Corbyn then, he has always been anti-EU, as has most of the further left Labour MPs.

Corbyn will not be hanging himself out to dry over brexit.

That's the tory grave-yard.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 17 3.37pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum. It's f*ed us. It's the one and only redeeming feature of his premiership. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham**

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Jun 17 3.37pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Brexit was started by Cameron cowtowing to the Mail thinking he could win votes by offering a referendum.

It's f***ed us.

It's the one and only redeeming feature of his premiership.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 6.20pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt It's the one and only redeeming feature of his premiership. Whatever happened to his 'special status' in Europe?

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jun 17 6.20pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

It's the one and only redeeming feature of his premiership.

Whatever happened to his 'special status' in Europe?

hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jun 17 6.33pm
Corbyn - the supposedly Remainer: In 1993 on the Maastricht Treaty, which he voted against: "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community". In 2008 on the Lisbon Treaty, which he also voted against: he said the EU had "always suffered a serious democratic deficit". In 2008: “The EU, to its shame, concluded a special trade agreement with Morocco for fishing rights that includes the waters off the Western Sahara. In doing so, it authorised the plunder of natural resources on a grand scale with no benefit at all the Saharawi people." In 2009 on the first European Council president: "The creation of the post of president is a triumph for the tenacity of the European long-sighters. The project has always been to create a huge free-market Europe, with ever-limiting powers for national parliaments and an increasingly powerful common foreign and security policy." During the Labour leadership contest: "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe", before going on to criticise the "growing military links" with Nato and calling for trade union "harmonisation" across the bloc, "rather than just allowing it as a business free-for-all across Europe". He should have stuck to his guns on this - he would have attracted support from the Labour voters who turned to UKIP. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 6.35pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 12 Jun 17 6.33pm

Corbyn - the supposedly Remainer:
In 1993 on the Maastricht Treaty, which he voted against: "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community".
In 2008 on the Lisbon Treaty, which he also voted against: he said the EU had "always suffered a serious democratic deficit".
In 2008: “The EU, to its shame, concluded a special trade agreement with Morocco for fishing rights that includes the waters off the Western Sahara. In doing so, it authorised the plunder of natural resources on a grand scale with no benefit at all the Saharawi people."
In 2009 on the first European Council president: "The creation of the post of president is a triumph for the tenacity of the European long-sighters. The project has always been to create a huge free-market Europe, with ever-limiting powers for national parliaments and an increasingly powerful common foreign and security policy."
During the Labour leadership contest: "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe", before going on to criticise the "growing military links" with Nato and calling for trade union "harmonisation" across the bloc, "rather than just allowing it as a business free-for-all across Europe".
He should have stuck to his guns on this - he would have attracted support from the Labour voters who turned to UKIP.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 6.35pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 7.38pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Corbyn - the supposedly Remainer: In 1993 on the Maastricht Treaty, which he voted against: "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community". In 2008 on the Lisbon Treaty, which he also voted against: he said the EU had "always suffered a serious democratic deficit". In 2008: “The EU, to its shame, concluded a special trade agreement with Morocco for fishing rights that includes the waters off the Western Sahara. In doing so, it authorised the plunder of natural resources on a grand scale with no benefit at all the Saharawi people." In 2009 on the first European Council president: "The creation of the post of president is a triumph for the tenacity of the European long-sighters. The project has always been to create a huge free-market Europe, with ever-limiting powers for national parliaments and an increasingly powerful common foreign and security policy." During the Labour leadership contest: "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe", before going on to criticise the "growing military links" with Nato and calling for trade union "harmonisation" across the bloc, "rather than just allowing it as a business free-for-all across Europe". He should have stuck to his guns on this - he would have attracted support from the Labour voters who turned to UKIP. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 6.35pm) I think you'll find many so called kippers voted Labour.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 7.38pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Corbyn - the supposedly Remainer:
In 1993 on the Maastricht Treaty, which he voted against: "takes away from national parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers who will impose the economic policies of price stability, deflation and high unemployment throughout the European Community".
In 2008 on the Lisbon Treaty, which he also voted against: he said the EU had "always suffered a serious democratic deficit".
In 2008: “The EU, to its shame, concluded a special trade agreement with Morocco for fishing rights that includes the waters off the Western Sahara. In doing so, it authorised the plunder of natural resources on a grand scale with no benefit at all the Saharawi people."
In 2009 on the first European Council president: "The creation of the post of president is a triumph for the tenacity of the European long-sighters. The project has always been to create a huge free-market Europe, with ever-limiting powers for national parliaments and an increasingly powerful common foreign and security policy."
During the Labour leadership contest: "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe", before going on to criticise the "growing military links" with Nato and calling for trade union "harmonisation" across the bloc, "rather than just allowing it as a business free-for-all across Europe".
He should have stuck to his guns on this - he would have attracted support from the Labour voters who turned to UKIP.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Jun 2017 6.35pm)

I think you'll find many so called kippers voted Labour.

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