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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Oct 16 6.54pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave?

I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal.

It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me.

Of course - because for many the issue is sovereignty.

 

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carlonoil Flag Naples 18 Oct 16 6.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave?

I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal.

It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me.

There would be an even bigger majority to leave. The constant stream of negativity and bulls from the Remain fanatics will just increase the Leave sentiment. People saw through the propaganda last time, they would again.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 18 Oct 16 8.11pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave?

I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal.

It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me.

A reversal would not be democratic and it would throw the whole British political system into turmoil. "First by the post except when it doesn't suit corporate pressure and whingers".

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Oct 16 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by carlonoil

There would be an even bigger majority to leave. The constant stream of negativity and bulls from the Remain fanatics will just increase the Leave sentiment. People saw through the propaganda last time, they would again.


Actually BusinessInsider yesterday reported a 6% swing back to Remain yesterday via their most recent survey - enough to reverse the previous outcome should another referendum be held- and that is before the coming big poops really hit the fan over the next few years.

 


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carlonoil Flag Naples 18 Oct 16 8.40pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Actually BusinessInsider yesterday reported a 6% swing back to Remain yesterday via their most recent survey - enough to reverse the previous outcome should another referendum be held- and that is before the coming big poops really hit the fan over the next few years.

Were BusinessInsider one of the expert pollsters who predicted a 55% majority for Remain before the referendum? Also, of course, there will be all the big poops that will hit the failing EU over the next few years that will confirm the correctness of our vote.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If they held the referendum again tomorrow does anyone believe that it would still be for us to leave?

I am forced to wonder if all the "hard talk" is just a softening up process which enables the government to be forced, screaming and protesting, into allowing some kind of reversal.

It always seemed probable that they would go that way. Mrs May's conversion seems less than convincing to me.

You cant honestly expect that the British would ever vote for brexit after all the collapse in sterling, scottish independence, loss of passporting etc etc is all just scare stories. And you have to remember we can give 350m Per week to the Nhs and we buy 1000s of german cars so the eu will defo give us free trade.
But i am sure the brits would never vote for Brexit after all they wouldnt want to be thought of as the worlds biggest mugs even if donald chump becomes president, so it could never happen.....oh sh!t hang on a minute...

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 18 Oct 16 9.28pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

You cant honestly expect that the British would ever vote for brexit after all the collapse in sterling, scottish independence, loss of passporting etc etc is all just scare stories. And you have to remember we can give 350m Per week to the Nhs and we buy 1000s of german cars so the eu will defo give us free trade.
But i am sure the brits would never vote for Brexit after all they wouldnt want to be thought of as the worlds biggest mugs even if donald chump becomes president, so it could never happen.....oh sh!t hang on a minute...

We can be in the EEA without being in the EU remember.

 

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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 18 Oct 16 9.40pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

We can be in the EEA without being in the EU remember.

We can but i think they've said they dont want this as it doesnt give us enough 'control'...sovrinty innit

 

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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

We can but i think they've said they dont want this as it doesnt give us enough 'control'...sovrinty innit

Well as a member of EFTA we could remain part of the EEA.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Oct 16 10.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

A reversal would not be democratic and it would throw the whole British political system into turmoil. "First by the post except when it doesn't suit corporate pressure and whingers".

That makes the incorrect assumption that the referendum was "democratic" in the first place! Referendums have no constitutional validity in the British system. It is parliament which is sovereign and that is the ONLY place where a decision of such importance should be taken. A referendum can be advisory, and it very clearly advised that 52% of those who voted thought on that day, with the information they had been given, and without the benefit of actual events, that leaving would be better than remaining. 48% disagreed then. How many more would now? I cannot imagine many, if any, remainers, changing their minds in the light of experience.

Parliament needs to assert it's authority to ensure the continuation of our democracy and not to thwart it.

Parliament, as a whole, needs to save us from the mess which almost everyone except the wilfully blind can now see. Such people, along with the stubborn, out of touch little Englanders on the right of the Tory party, and in UKIP, need to be consigned to the bin of history they so richly deserve to inhabit.

 


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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 18 Oct 16 10.25pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Well as a member of EFTA we could remain part of the EEA.

But the government have said they want restrictions on eu migrants, so no free trade and no free access to the single market. So its either a hard brexit or peace, stability and a prosperous economy.....i'm just hoping its all been a bad dream and i will wake tomorrow with the £ worth $1.50 instead of 1.20 and the latest firecast for 2017 economic growth to be 2.1% instead of 0.8% which will cost the uk economy 50billion pounds in just 1 year! I say lets 'take back control' and spend it on the Nhs

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 18 Oct 16 11.06pm Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That makes the incorrect assumption that the referendum was "democratic" in the first place! Referendums have no constitutional validity in the British system. It is parliament which is sovereign and that is the ONLY place where a decision of such importance should be taken. A referendum can be advisory, and it very clearly advised that 52% of those who voted thought on that day, with the information they had been given, and without the benefit of actual events, that leaving would be better than remaining. 48% disagreed then. How many more would now? I cannot imagine many, if any, remainers, changing their minds in the light of experience.

Parliament needs to assert it's authority to ensure the continuation of our democracy and not to thwart it.

Parliament, as a whole, needs to save us from the mess which almost everyone except the wilfully blind can now see. Such people, along with the stubborn, out of touch little Englanders on the right of the Tory party, and in UKIP, need to be consigned to the bin of history they so richly deserve to inhabit.

Before the referendum, many people said ongoing EU Membership was too big an issue for a simple "YES" or "NO" vote. The morons who led us into this have thrown themselves on their swords and left another set of Chimps to run the tea party.

By and large the referendum was probably an opportunity for the public to register massive dissatisfaction with the status quo. I suspect it was more than just EU membership?

I'd agree Parliament has the right to review, and should review, the outcome of the referendum but it should not ignore the will of the people under the current electoral system which (in my opinion) is long overdue for reform.

 


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