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Jackeagle Flag London 17 Jul 20 9.28am

The twitter bandwagon of teenagers screaming for Roy out has now truly got under my skin. Yes, through a combination of poor performances and bad luck we have now lost 6 in a row, but our position far from the relegation zone and not far from top 10 goes to show how well he has done prior to lockdown. The man has worked miracles despite hardly ever being backed in the market. To be honest, bar Benteke and Mama (who I believe have been very poor value for money), none of our squad were particularly expensive signings. I’m not saying Roy is flawless (lack of subs particularly frustrates me), but his astute defensive and tactical knowledge i imagine is far superior to any new manager we could attract. Ok, we don’t score enough goals, but we really do not have the firepower to enable us to do so, as teams often double up on Wilf, with Ayew being the only other genuine threat. If Roy stays, we stay up. If he goes, there’s a risk that if it goes wrong we could be in trouble.

 

palace chick Flag South Croydon 17 Jul 20 9.31am

Not sure I feel that if Roy stays, we stay up and I’m 64 - What’s Twitter ;-)

 

PatrickA Flag London 17 Jul 20 9.46am

I don’t believe that Hodgson’s critics have a problem with the position in the table or are expecting us to push for Europe.
The issue relates more to defensive style of play , rigid tactics,, lack of quality from set pieces and reluctance to make changes in particular when we fall behind in games.
To those who say Hodgson hasn’t got the tools at his disposal I would point to the Chelsea game and the game last night.
We showed good attacking intent in those games when Hodgson demonstrated that he can release the shackles and change the formation.
If we play that way in the future arguably many may have less of a problem with Hodgson.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 17 Jul 20 10.27am

The issue is same old system and names this is what is annoying people

We are losing he brings on another defensive midfielder or ward who has played all the games is struggling he doesn't even try another player in that position.

What about the youth giving someone like 5min is just a waste of time.

Even FDB didn't lose this many games in a row

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 17 Jul 20 10.30am

Originally posted by grumpymort

The issue is same old system and names this is what is annoying people

We are losing he brings on another defensive midfielder or ward who has played all the games is struggling he doesn't even try another player in that position.

What about the youth giving someone like 5min is just a waste of time.

Even FDB didn't lose this many games in a row

He didn't have the opportunity

 

orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 17 Jul 20 10.36am

Roy has worked wonders when you consider he has the transfer dealing ineptitude of Freedman behind him and the refusal or possibly poverty of Parish to financially back him, but he does not seem able to tactically work out the modern game. Its like saying we had the best racing car 5 years ago so it must be one of the best now.

Yes the aquad is thin, yes we have adapted the tactic of the false 9 to a level where we have false sttikers but it's the sheer rigidity. The going one behind and if he even bothers to use a sub brings on a defender. It all adds up to he either goes now or is sacked early next season.

We have lost 6 on the bounce and will prubably lose 8 and hardly scored. Simply not good enough. Villa who may well go down have done better.

Oh and I am a long way off my teenage years, when I was a teenager we were really crap!

 

SwordFish Flag Peasmarsh,East Sussex 17 Jul 20 10.45am

I think what jack (the OP) is saying regards to teenagers is the continuous , slating of Roy and the team from people who would hardly remember our promotion year due to their age. They also think it’s easy to sack a manager and get a better one in or play max Meyer (because he’s rated 80 on FIFA so he must be good .
It’s a very dangerous time, the fan base is turning on each other I have de activated my twitter account for precisely this reason hour kids and morons slagging the club off .
At some point , Roy will have to be replaced due to his age, if he was to go now, leaving this squad, we would be relegated without a doubt next season. And do a charlton (they wished for better got rid of curbishley and bosh )

Anyway I’m going to be posting a lot more on here now again , you don’t get the amount of idiots on here as you do Twitter

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 10.51am

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Roy has worked wonders when you consider he has the transfer dealing ineptitude of Freedman behind him and the refusal or possibly poverty of Parish to financially back him, but he does not seem able to tactically work out the modern game. Its like saying we had the best racing car 5 years ago so it must be one of the best now.

Yes the aquad is thin, yes we have adapted the tactic of the false 9 to a level where we have false sttikers but it's the sheer rigidity. The going one behind and if he even bothers to use a sub brings on a defender. It all adds up to he either goes now or is sacked early next season.

We have lost 6 on the bounce and will prubably lose 8 and hardly scored. Simply not good enough. Villa who may well go down have done better.

Oh and I am a long way off my teenage years, when I was a teenager we were really crap!

I recall my teenage years back in the 60s, when 'Selhurst Park' was only half full. Much later I recall gates of 6-7,000 during the infancy of the Noades era.I have certainly experienced the 'High' and the 'Lows' but even through the 'Troughs' I looked forward to home games but not any more on account of the dross and lack of goals at 'Selhurst Park'.

In those days one would witness 'blood and thunder' tackles with none of this simulation and going to ground when one feels the breath of an opponent.There were also a variety of chants and songs, some very derogatory, but these have disappeared in this modern era.

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 17 Jul 20 10.54am

Originally posted by Jackeagle

The twitter bandwagon of teenagers screaming for Roy out has now truly got under my skin. Yes, through a combination of poor performances and bad luck we have now lost 6 in a row, but our position far from the relegation zone and not far from top 10 goes to show how well he has done prior to lockdown. The man has worked miracles despite hardly ever being backed in the market. To be honest, bar Benteke and Mama (who I believe have been very poor value for money), none of our squad were particularly expensive signings. I’m not saying Roy is flawless (lack of subs particularly frustrates me), but his astute defensive and tactical knowledge i imagine is far superior to any new manager we could attract. Ok, we don’t score enough goals, but we really do not have the firepower to enable us to do so, as teams often double up on Wilf, with Ayew being the only other genuine threat. If Roy stays, we stay up. If he goes, there’s a risk that if it goes wrong we could be in trouble.

without risk there is no reward (or chance of advancing the club). People need to get over this whole 'our annual objective is to stay up'. I am more ambitious in life and for my club. I would rather see us take the next step and fail, rather than be bored with unadventurous mediocrity season-after-season, which will ultimately see us relegated anyway as fans and players lose interest after realising we have no ambition as a club.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 10.57am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

without risk there is no reward (or chance of advancing the club). People need to get over this whole 'our annual objective is to stay up'. I am more ambitious in life and for my club. I would rather see us take the next step and fail, rather than be bored with unadventurous mediocrity season-after-season, which will ultimately see us relegated anyway as fans and players lose interest after realising we have no ambition as a club.

Sometimes supporters and 'Boards' see matters differently as there are different dynamics at play not least finances.

 

beak Flag croydon 17 Jul 20 10.59am

Originally posted by Willo

I recall my teenage years back in the 60s, when 'Selhurst Park' was only half full. Much later I recall gates of 6-7,000 during the infancy of the Noades era.I have certainly experienced the 'High' and the 'Lows' but even through the 'Troughs' I looked forward to home games but not any more on account of the dross and lack of goals at 'Selhurst Park'.

In those days one would witness 'blood and thunder' tackles with none of this simulation and going to ground when one feels the breath of an opponent.There were also a variety of chants and songs, some very derogatory, but these have disappeared in this modern era.

So we need to relocate to Divison Three South and play five forwards and no offside, sorry time has moved on perhaps you should move with it.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 20 11.02am

How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win?
I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown.

People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.05am

Originally posted by beak

So we need to relocate to Divison Three South and play five forwards and no offside, sorry time has moved on perhaps you should move with it.

You sound like my dear wife who often calls me a "Stick-in the mud" irascible old chap who is stuck in the dark ages and is often NO lighthouse of joy.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 17 Jul 20 11.13am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

He didn't have the opportunity


Correct he only had 5 games in total with 4 loses and 1 win so that is a better record already.

losing 6 in a row is unacceptable

 


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PatrickA Flag London 17 Jul 20 11.13am

Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer.
For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR.
He is very talented with good attacking skills.
However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline.
Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present.

 

palace chick Flag South Croydon 17 Jul 20 11.25am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win?
I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown.

People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances.

Those 4 points between Villa and Burnley would have been acceptable as well. Trouble is, like all the other games (other than Bournemouth 1st half) we have been awful or played top 6 Sides who didn’t have to play at 100% to win. If we had got those 4 points together with the 42 we would have accepted that as progress. However not looking like we will get any points since that Bournemouth match we are heading for a bad next season.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.33am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Based on him staying, which I believe he will, I do have concerns with him using young players who may join in the summer.
For example we are strongly linked with Eze from QPR.
He is very talented with good attacking skills.
However, he can disappear from games and lacks tactical discipline.
Not sure a Roy type player - at least at present.

There is a certain perception about Hodgson.

I heard the view expressed the other day that Hodgson would feel far more comfortable playing Chris Brunt (35) and Gareth Barry 38, next season, with their experience, than take a chance on younger players!


Edited by Willo (17 Jul 2020 11.34am)

 

gerry theagle Flag newbury 17 Jul 20 11.34am

Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 20 11.43am

Originally posted by gerry theagle

Grumpy, you are somewhat boring as usual, perhaps you could take some happy pills before next season.

I think that 'Grumpy' and I would get on like a house on fire!

Only the other day my dear wife said she would be looking for a T-Shirt for me emblazoned with the words "Miserable as sin".

 

Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 17 Jul 20 11.55am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How many of the last 8 fixtures would we really have expected to win?
I would have given us 4 points between Villa and Burnley and that is it. As it was, we had very bad luck with VAR decisions and Cahill plus, and this is the important bit, we had no crowd support and were virtually safe before the lockdown.

People throwing their toys about over our run of defeats and Roy's tactics is quite ridiculous under the circumstances.

Loss of Tomo has been a big blow at the back as well. My choice for CB pairings. However we do usually fair well at the end of the season, apart from Pards reign, where we took that form into the next season !?! With 2 tough games to come, right to raise a few eyebrows but we will have to see how we shape up at the beginning of next season. Hopefully with a solid back 4 and some new attacking options.

 


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