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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
You still don't get it. We don't hate the places you live, we hate a very small and specific subset of the people that live there. I've lived in plenty of places on this planet, unconstrained by the myopic wall EUrocrats have constructed themselves. I've done so entirely by merit, not because "muh freedumb of moovemunt". I don't brag about it, I don't shove it down people's throats, but I've gone where I've gone because I offer something to my host country that's more than "my passport says I can come in and you have to let me". I could up and leave and move to Vienna and pick up a job with very little difficulty. I choose not to. The UK is better for what I do, it offers more, and I don't abhor my country, nor it's culture, nor (mainly) it's people. People love sticking it to you, because you come across as unjustifiably smug in doing what anyone in the UK could do if they wanted. I personally pity you. Communicating on a technology invented by a Brit, writing in this dirty heathen language, on a platform for supporters of a British football club. So yeah, great. You live in f***ing Austria. Before that it was Malta. Aren't you just living the dream? "It's to be expected"? Haha, yeah, OK. Look how grubby your beloved Malta is: Enjoy the new Austrian government. I know I will.
You said "anyone in the UK could do it", well yes now they can. Not so much in 2 years. Those freedoms will then be denied all but the privileged.
It's sad that so much higher value is placed on capital in our society than labour. The more restrictions you put on movement of labour, the lower its returns and the lower its productivity.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
There are some antifa knobbers, who do knobbish things. That I condemn. But I don't condemn the anti fascist aims. Happy? So the guy wearing the mask, standing next to the one throwing a petrol bomb at police and public property is OK? The Democrats and even CNN and MSNBC have disavowed Antifa. The Department of Homeland Security has classified their activities as “domestic terrorism". So if you don't condemn, you are either ignorant about Antifa OR support this far left fascist organisation. It's very clear. So which is it? Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.25am)
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Originally posted by europalace
Wow, another one who seems bitter and jealous, admitting it by resorting to expletives. Game, set & match? Candy from a baby anyone? One can swear without being bitter and jealous. And what would I be bitter or jealous about? I've very likely achieved more than you ever will, travelled further, lived in more varied places, and I strongly suspect my other half is much more attractive. My car's not too shabby either. Your metric for success appears to be exercising your right to encumber yourself on a set of nations by right merely of belonging to a club. Something any one of us can do (and in some cases, have already done). You're bragging about that achievement? Wow, you set the bar low.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
One can swear without being bitter and jealous. And what would I be bitter or jealous about? I've very likely achieved more than you ever will, travelled further, lived in more varied places, and I strongly suspect my other half is much more attractive. My car's not too shabby either. Your metric for success appears to be exercising your right to encumber yourself on a set of nations by right merely of belonging to a club. Something any one of us can do (and in some cases, have already done). You're bragging about that achievement? Wow, you set the bar low. You're like those brummies off harry enfield and chums. Oi sport, I think you'll find I'm considerably richer than yaaouu. Look at my woooife.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You said "anyone in the UK could do it", well yes now they can. Not so much in 2 years. Those freedoms will then be denied all but the privileged.
It's sad that so much higher value is placed on capital in our society than labour. The more restrictions you put on movement of labour, the lower its returns and the lower its productivity. It's called meritocracy. You're welcome to go make coffee in Amsterdam or Arequipa for all I care. It's down to the host nation to figure out if there's worth in allowing you to do so. For the record, I am from that "lower social class", but nice try in attempting to spark a class war.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You're like those brummies off harry enfield and chums. Oi sport, I think you'll find I'm considerably richer than yaaouu. Look at my woooife. Lol. If you say so. I won't apologise for my achievement and attainment - it has got me further than relying on a fake flag with yellow stars on it.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Lol. If you say so. I won't apologise for my achievement and attainment - it has got me further than relying on a fake flag with yellow stars on it. You went from "not bragging about it" one minute to be "totally bragadocious" the next. Personal achievement and universal rights and freedoms are very different things and shouldn't be conflated. Indeed doing so and claiming that we live in a "meritocracy" is very much the problem at the heart of the Tory falsehoods on Brexit and society in general. Grace and favour is much more their bag.
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Unfortunately K pointing out that there are no benefits in leaving the EU is correct but you won't get any replies to your posts !!!!
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Unfortunately K pointing out that there are no benefits in leaving the EU is correct but you won't get any replies to your posts !!!! It's going tits up because we are not positive enough. Apparently.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
794 pages and still no-one who voted Leave has allayed any fears, or even come close to it, that we won't be worse off economically, environmentally and security wise going into the short, mid and long-term future with Brexit. Yes, i know we will be able to label our own foods in 18 months and decide who fishes in our waters. That's great. But hardly the stuff a 'revolution' should see as its zenith. And no point in mentioning Health, Education, Housing and Transport as they are sectors which we manage (fairly badly it has to be said) ourselves anyway without being beholden to EU so any fvck-ups there we only have to look to Westminster as to 'why?' and not Brussels. Plus, population numbers even with Brexit is going over 70mill by 2035. The challenge to 'manage' has been there for a long time now. So, please, remind me - why are we leaving again? Apart from sticking two fingers up at some Europeans what is the point insofar as it being definitely beneficial to the UK? Sorry. If you want to re-argue the EU referendum, go from page 794 to page 1. I hope you're a slow reader.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Latest YouGov/Times Poll Q:In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU? Yes - 42% No - 47% Don't Know - 11% We need a second referendum with bullsh1t banned for all sides. Neverendums. Right out of the EU playbook. Why don't you campaign to re-join, rather than agitating for the subversion of a democratic mandate that you don't like, on the basis of polls that change with the wind? If the case is as clear-cut as you claim, then it'll be a doddle.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Neverendums. Right out of the EU playbook. Why don't you campaign to re-join, rather than agitating for the subversion of a democratic mandate that you don't like, on the basis of polls that change with the wind? If the case is as clear-cut as you claim, then it'll be a doddle. We will be re-joining. Just a question of in ten years or maybe fifteen? Your core support will have died by then. To paraphrase Attlee - Referendum are not about democracy but about demagogues.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Latest YouGov/Times Poll Q:In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU? Right - 42% Wrong - 47% Don't Know - 11% We need a second referendum with bullsh1t banned for all sides. Edited by Kermit8 (17 Oct 2017 10.39am) Would shut you up for a few weeks.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
We will be re-joining. Just a question of in ten years or maybe fifteen? Your core support will have died by then. To paraphrase Attlee - Referendum are not about democracy but about demagogues. The rest of the EU countries may well have left by then.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
794 pages and still no-one who voted Leave has allayed any fears, or even come close to it, that we won't be worse off economically, environmentally and security wise going into the short, mid and long-term future with Brexit. Yes, i know we will be able to label our own foods in 18 months and decide who fishes in our waters. That's great. But hardly the stuff a 'revolution' should see as its zenith. And no point in mentioning Health, Education, Housing and Transport as they are sectors which we manage (fairly badly it has to be said) ourselves anyway without being beholden to EU so any fvck-ups there we only have to look to Westminster as to 'why?' and not Brussels. Plus, population numbers even with Brexit is going over 70mill by 2035. The challenge to 'manage' has been there for a long time now. So, please, remind me - why are we leaving again? Apart from sticking two fingers up at some Europeans what is the point insofar as it being definitely beneficial to the UK? So we can run our own country.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Aww. The green-eyed monster. Cute. FYI - the vast majority of countries in that big bad world out there doesn't recognise upping sticks to another country and insisting on the perks those citizens have as a "universal right". I happen to agree with them. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So we can run our own country. ah, yes..into the ground....if The Tories remain in power
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