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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Dec 16 10.57am

Originally posted by susmik

ARE you for real ????? What a stupid statement as are most of yours!


Well he does seem to have a point in there, a spike in hate crime, and a murder of a MP. Although its worth noting that the significant rise in hate crime applies more to threatening behaviour and verbal abuse rather than violence.

The Police and Home Office have a new initiative over hate crime to deal with the rise, so I don't think its entirely untrue - Of course there are an't gangs of Leave voters roaming the street looking for migrants to beat up.... but

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721


Well he does seem to have a point in there, a spike in hate crime, and a murder of a MP. Although its worth noting that the significant rise in hate crime applies more to threatening behaviour and verbal abuse rather than violence.

The Police and Home Office have a new initiative over hate crime to deal with the rise, so I don't think its entirely untrue - Of course there are an't gangs of Leave voters roaming the street looking for migrants to beat up.... but

The hate crimes have come to light because of the EU vote and not because of the result. Most of these hate crimes are done by yobs with no allegiance to any political party or political reason. Here in Plymouth a couple of months back a Polish family had their wooden shed burnt down which the police thought was a hate crime when in fact it was four kids having a laugh with a box of matches and a can of lighter fuel.
With regard to my reply to steelye20 it was because he types a load of waffle and is so against brexit he puts links to articles without really reading them. He needs to think about what he types instead of posting a babble of words and sentences as he does.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Dec 16 11.34am

Originally posted by susmik

The hate crimes have come to light because of the EU vote and not because of the result. Most of these hate crimes are done by yobs with no allegiance to any political party or political reason. Here in Plymouth a couple of months back a Polish family had their wooden shed burnt down which the police thought was a hate crime when in fact it was four kids having a laugh with a box of matches and a can of lighter fuel.
With regard to my reply to steelye20 it was because he types a load of waffle and is so against brexit he puts links to articles without really reading them. He needs to think about what he types instead of posting a babble of words and sentences as he does.

So you're saying the police and government had been ignoring hate crime or wrongly classifying hate crimes?

Sounds worse to me than an actual spike.

 


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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Why are the left still playing this card?

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"“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.”

Well in this instance the "left" - which the recently-in-government-with-the-Tories Lib Dems can barely claim to be - are still playing the card because it won them the by election.

They over-turned one of the largest Tory majorities in the country. In a seat where Tory MPs and Tory and UKIP activists were actively campaigning for and supporting Zac Goldsmith.

They are playing the card because it worked.

Edited by OknotOK (02 Dec 2016 11.44am)

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 02 Dec 16 11.43am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

I agree that the voice of people should be heard.

However, this by election victory, just like the referendum vote, cannot be centred on one cause or reason, as much as certain people would like to do that.

The causes of this result do include Brexit, Zac Goldsmith for the second time in recent history deploying a terrible strategy, Zac Goldsmith's general unpopularity, a very good campaign by the Lib Dems and the Heathrow expansion.

No it can't. It was almost exclusively a vote on the Brexit campaign. Acknowledged by the Goldsmith campaign and the government. As well as the Lib Dems who won it.

How it can have been about Heathrow expansion when both candidates had the same stance on it I'm not sure.

Goldsmith's tarnished reputation after his dog whistle campaign for mayor may have been a small factor, but he remained very popular in Richmond and well supported.

He lost because the Lib Dems turned it into an effective mini-referendum on Brexit. And a very pro-Remain borough voted for a pro-Remain candidate.

 


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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I agree with this, i too have a few tribal tory friends saying the same thing. They voted tory historically because of the perception of lower taxes and better with the economy. They say the latter has been blown out of the water and the tories have morphed into UKIP. It does mean however there will be no snap general election as TM must sense now she could lose

The other reason there wont be a snap election is because the Government would have to repeal the fixed term Parliament Act through the Commons and the Lords. Or table a vote of no confidence in itself

 

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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Why are the left still playing this card?

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"“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.”

Because the Lib Dems report that a third of Tory voters who swiched voted to Leave but dont like the turn of events that was leading us towards the Nuclear version of Hard Brexit.

 

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Originally posted by OknotOK

No it can't. It was almost exclusively a vote on the Brexit campaign. Acknowledged by the Goldsmith campaign and the government. As well as the Lib Dems who won it.

How it can have been about Heathrow expansion when both candidates had the same stance on it I'm not sure.

Goldsmith's tarnished reputation after his dog whistle campaign for mayor may have been a small factor, but he remained very popular in Richmond and well supported.

He lost because the Lib Dems turned it into an effective mini-referendum on Brexit. And a very pro-Remain borough voted for a pro-Remain candidate.

I disagree with you but you are entitled to your view.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So you're saying the police and government had been ignoring hate crime or wrongly classifying hate crimes?

Sounds worse to me than an actual spike.

No not at all but a lot of crimes have not been logged by the police as well you know. Excuse being they are too busy for all of them and to be honest cannot be arsed as well you know again.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Dec 16 11.54am

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

The other reason there wont be a snap election is because the Government would have to repeal the fixed term Parliament Act through the Commons and the Lords. Or table a vote of no confidence in itself


It only needs a commons motion to pass, to by pass the act, on the basis of special circumstances (the fact that the UK is going to engage in arguably one of the most important decisions of the last 40 years, which has only been determined by a referendum). Its in the national interest of democracy to grant an except to the fixed terms.

Which I suspect may be the outcome of the Article 50 parliament act.

 


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Originally posted by legaleagle


So,anyone not on the right of the Tory party is now part of the left ?

"The Lib Dems overturned an enormous Conservative majority to beat the former mayoral candidate in a by-election defined by Brexit"

I thought you guys believed the voice of the people was legitimate and should be taken note of?.

Edited by legaleagle (02 Dec 2016 7.51am)

You guys are hilarious.

So a constituency that voted 70% remain, something totally out of line with the country, votes a Remainer into power with the main opposition quitting his party and becoming an independent and you think this means that the country want a second referendum?

You couldn't make it up.

 

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721


It only needs a commons motion to pass, to by pass the act, on the basis of special circumstances (the fact that the UK is going to engage in arguably one of the most important decisions of the last 40 years, which has only been determined by a referendum). Its in the national interest of democracy to grant an except to the fixed terms.

Which I suspect may be the outcome of the Article 50 parliament act.

Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of whether there should be an election - calling an election for party advantage seems precisely why it is right to have fixed terms parliaments but there are two routes to an election. First is two thirds of MPs to vote for an election - which would mean Labour would have to support the motion OR the Government lose a confidence motion. In effect government would have to table a vote of no confidence in itself.

That would be a huge risk for May to take

 

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