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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 5.42pm

Originally posted by kuge

Are you claiming that racism is no longer a problem in football and more generally in the UK?

The keeling is a reaction to abuse that these players have received and continue to receive. The fact that they get abused for taking the knee demonstrates that it is needed.

Circular logic.

'If you oppose what I do it's because you're racist, therefore justifying what I do and think.'

'If you agree with what I do it's because you agree that this is a racist society.'

Abuse exists in all societies and always will in free ones. The labelling in this one is frequently dishonest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Sep 2021 5.44pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

rikz Flag Croydon 21 Sep 21 5.42pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

As a nation we have excellent values, both historically and in the present day. Some people want to slander our past, but in reality we've always been ahead of most of the the world in terms of equal opportunities, tolerance, and equality.

Christianity does have some real positive welcoming values too. When people mention that we are a white christian country, they are often saying it when they are talking about excluding people from our country because they don't think people from different backgrounds can fit in. That view is country to Christian beliefs, said by people who aren't Christian.

Fact is, that if you are a successful, progressive society, then people will want to come to your country. If you want people to stop wanting to come here, the only real way is to become a regressive state. This isn't to say we shouldn't have controls on allowing people to enter the country - although those entry conditions should be down to ability, and not race or religion.

On top of that, you've pretty much listed all of the developed world as places people go to.... where else would you expect them to go?

Exactly there's a reason why these places are more developed than the rest of the world. Maybe people moving to them should embrace the culture of the country they're moving to

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 5.49pm

Any rational or honest person would have the logic to realise that in a real racist society groups like BLM or indeed the whole 'racism' playbook wouldn't be allowed to have any influence or power. You only have to look at places in the world where these ideas haven't been allowed to take root.

In a racist society there would be no 'diversity' industry at all.

The whole bag is collection of liars, fools and half truthers making it for all its worth while the elites allow them.....when the money pipe is turned off the tune will change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Sep 2021 5.52pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Sep 21 6.24pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

"from 2001 to 2011, the percentage of the population of England and Wales that was White British decreased from 87.4% to 80.5%"

I would be interested to know what it is in 2021

Over 50% of FTSE 100 boards have no ethnic representation on their boards. Maths init.


Edited by BlueJay (21 Sep 2021 4.02pm)

So the White majority will be reduced to around 70% now.
So in the space of 70 years, one lifetime, it has reduced by around 28%.

But of course, talk of replacement is just a myth, right?

 

jeeagles Flag 21 Sep 21 6.28pm

Originally posted by rikz

Exactly there's a reason why these places are more developed than the rest of the world. Maybe people moving to them should embrace the culture of the country they're moving to

I agree, but how would you like people to embrace the culture? Would you like them all to support Crystal Palace? Convert to Christianity? Do a load of Coke in Infernos and then sing Wonderwall in a kebab shop every Saturday night? Join the National Trust?

Using America, as it's easier, is a land founded on religious freedom, so wouldn't an immigrant embrace the culture by simply being themselves?

Ultimately, it's a two-way street, if we want people to buy into our culture then we'll have to be welcoming. How could you ask anyone to accepting our culture if you treat them like a second class citizen?

You can see why people would be put off from participating if you read some of the comments from a few posters on this forum.

 

jeeagles Flag 21 Sep 21 6.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Any rational or honest person would have the logic to realise that in a real racist society groups like BLM or indeed the whole 'racism' playbook wouldn't be allowed to have any influence or power. You only have to look at places in the world where these ideas haven't been allowed to take root.

In a racist society there would be no 'diversity' industry at all.

The whole bag is collection of liars, fools and half truthers making it for all its worth while the elites allow them.....when the money pipe is turned off the tune will change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Sep 2021 5.52pm)

Who'd defending BLM?

Pure whataboutary.

 

jeeagles Flag 21 Sep 21 6.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So the White majority will be reduced to around 70% now.
So in the space of 70 years, one lifetime, it has reduced by around 28%.

But of course, talk of replacement is just a myth, right?

You've made a huge assumption, that the white British population will reduce following a linear trend.

Like saying Palace have 5 points after 5 games, so we will have 38 points after 38 games

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 6.43pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Who'd defending BLM?

Pure whataboutary.

?

Society is defending BLM.....All the football clubs wore their logos, all the corporations defend BLM and their donations are in the tens of millions.

A more accurate question would be who opposes them.

As for 'whataboutary' that has to be in response to another point.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Sep 2021 6.51pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 6.47pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

You've made a huge assumption, that the white British population will reduce following a linear trend.

Like saying Palace have 5 points after 5 games, so we will have 38 points after 38 games


You could have said that thirty years ago and you would have been wrong.

You could have said that twenty years ago and you would have been wrong.

You could have said that ten years ago and you would have been wrong.

The idea that it would stablize or reverse needs to have a realistic explanation.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Sep 21 6.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


You could have said that thirty years ago and you would have been wrong.

You could have said that twenty years ago and you would have been wrong.

You could have said that ten years ago and you would have been wrong.

The idea that it would stablize or reverse needs to have a realistic explanation.


In fact, it will accelerate.

 

rikz Flag Croydon 21 Sep 21 7.32pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

I agree, but how would you like people to embrace the culture? Would you like them all to support Crystal Palace? Convert to Christianity? Do a load of Coke in Infernos and then sing Wonderwall in a kebab shop every Saturday night? Join the National Trust?

Using America, as it's easier, is a land founded on religious freedom, so wouldn't an immigrant embrace the culture by simply being themselves?

Ultimately, it's a two-way street, if we want people to buy into our culture then we'll have to be welcoming. How could you ask anyone to accepting our culture if you treat them like a second class citizen?

You can see why people would be put off from participating if you read some of the comments from a few posters on this forum.

I think people are pretty welcoming, from what I see with my own eyes anyway, maybe not if you watch the news, like I said, racism is an emotive subject, news and tabloids use it as nothing more than clickbait, trying to create an issue that's not really there. Most people on this board will be from Croydon or surrounding areas, you couldn't get a more diverse area, we have all probably worked in massively diverse workplaces I've never came across any issues, everyone gets on regardless. Probably every ethnic minority I've worked with has encountered racist abuse but this country is not systemically racist.

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 21 Sep 21 7.47pm

Originally posted by rikz

People are born with massive advantages but in this country it still doesn't stop anyone else achieving what they want. Let's face it most people don't achieve what they want because they're neither intelligent or talented enough and unless you was blessed with good looks then you will more than likely live an average life.

I shouldn"t have to feel guilty over my good looks , it was just the luck of the draw, the creme de la creme, I don"t look down on those less fortunate looks wise, why should I? I would still talk to you unfortunates, it"s not your fault either- just the luck of the draw and exceptionally good genes!

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 21 Sep 21 7.58pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I shouldn"t have to feel guilty over my good looks , it was just the luck of the draw, the creme de la creme, I don"t look down on those less fortunate looks wise, why should I? I would still talk to you unfortunates, it"s not your fault either- just the luck of the draw and exceptionally good genes!

Apart from their having one sunburnt arm has anyone ever seen a taxi driver who didn't look like a Hollywood God? Mel Gibson would've done The Knowledge but was a bit too fond of the booze.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 8.07pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Apart from their having one sunburnt arm has anyone ever seen a taxi driver who didn't look like a Hollywood God? Mel Gibson would've done The Knowledge but was a bit too fond of the booze.

He's definitely not that fond of the booze.

I've seen 'The Passion of the Christ'.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 21 Sep 21 8.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He's definitely not that fond of the booze.

I've seen 'The Passion of the Christ'.

Go south of the Jordan at this time of night?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Sep 21 8.19pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Go south of the Jordan at this time of night?

I can hear the fiddlers on the roof from here.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle Flag 21 Sep 21 9.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I can hear the fiddlers on the roof from here.

If I was a rich man...oh, wait. I'm a cabbie I'm caked.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Sep 21 5.21am

Originally posted by BlueJay

I'm not sure that being underpaid and working countless hours in a hospital is indication that you're appreciated. Let's take a look at CEOs and see who's path to the top is made easier and who does or doesn't have a problem getting there despite their abilities..

Edited by BlueJay (21 Sep 2021 3.26pm)

Underpaid in what way. When you accept a job you accept the wages offered. If its not enough,don't take the job. That's nothing about colour. Many health workers are not white British and personally I don't give a damn as long as they treat me when needed. Real racists would demand a white nurse or doctor wouldn't they?

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Sep 21 10.54am

Originally posted by rikz

Also blacks are classed as one demographic, If you split them up, you'll see the majority who achieve in school, go to university and are In skilled jobs tend to have African names where as black British and Caribbean boys are up there with white working class males as having the poorest results in school.

So Indians, Chinese and Africans who all tend to come from fairly religious backgrounds that celebrate strong traditional family values and views where they have a two parent household tend to do better hmmmm I wonder why that could be

I think you mean West African, not East Africa like Somalia etc.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Sep 21 11.38am

Originally posted by cryrst

Underpaid in what way. When you accept a job you accept the wages offered. If its not enough,don't take the job. That's nothing about colour. Many health workers are not white British and personally I don't give a damn as long as they treat me when needed. Real racists would demand a white nurse or doctor wouldn't they?

I used to think the same, only there will always be people in these jobs, and often mid to long term, that are underpaid and unable to live on the wages so it isn’t really a valid point. Sure you can try and live on £20 food per week, but there’s still people who’d do that and still be piling on debt. But that’s a different debate.

 


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