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dreamwaverider London 09 Jan 24 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So I wonder if that’s the case; exactly how many systems gave false figures. So far 2500+ victims have been paid out although the government have now pledged £600,000 to each victim. I daresay there will be thousands more to follow. Then of course there were those who the PO investigators never caught up with. Based on the fact that Horizon had access to every operating system (all of them) the compensation could become massive. In the £ billions now for sure. Fujitsu had better get ready for some hefty costs. The Horizon interns were clearly part of the issue of a totally useless system. Edited by dreamwaverider (09 Jan 2024 4.26pm)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 09 Jan 24 6.20pm | |
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Every tax payer is contributing to the compensation, we are but sheep being shorn
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jan 24 7.51pm | |
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I don't see, from my own experience in IT, how Fujitsu could have signed off on this software which it's obvious faults, nor how the PO could have accepted it. Nobody listened to the users, nobody sat in to see what was happening. Instead they were arrogant, disbelieving, it couldn't possibly be them. How often do we see that.
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dreamwaverider London 10 Jan 24 7.07am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't see, from my own experience in IT, how Fujitsu could have signed off on this software which it's obvious faults, nor how the PO could have accepted it. Nobody listened to the users, nobody sat in to see what was happening. Instead they were arrogant, disbelieving, it couldn't possibly be them. How often do we see that.
I genuinely dont know. How often? I would guess it's a lot more than I cynically suspect. The fact that Horizon could effectively take over and control each individual sub postmaster accounts unknown to the sub postmaster and the fact the Horizon operators were regularly screwing it up due to their lack of PO operating experience and then hiding it and even worse blaming the sub postmasters and demanding they pay for the Horizon and PO head office mistakes, shows just how evil this was.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 10 Jan 24 7.31am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
I genuinely dont know. How often? I would guess it's a lot more than I cynically suspect. The fact that Horizon could effectively take over and control each individual sub postmaster accounts unknown to the sub postmaster and the fact the Horizon operators were regularly screwing it up due to their lack of PO operating experience and then hiding it and even worse blaming the sub postmasters and demanding they pay for the Horizon and PO head office mistakes, shows just how evil this was. I have a vested interest into how public money is spent. Specifically by the Cabinet Office. About 2 years ago, the CO was taken to court by a French IT company that had bid to build a new supercomputer for the Met Office. Despite following all the CO's procurement guidelines, despite meeting all the spec requirements and despite quoting less than the other bidder, it was that other bidder, that won the tender. I was due to attend Court but the night before the CO settled. They paid £24m of tax payers money to make it go away. All for not following their own in house procurement process. I tried to find out more via a FOI request which was turned down. I write to my local Conservative MP. He didn't want to know. Draw your own conclusions !
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Spiderman Horsham 10 Jan 24 8.34am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't see, from my own experience in IT, how Fujitsu could have signed off on this software which it's obvious faults, nor how the PO could have accepted it. Nobody listened to the users, nobody sat in to see what was happening. Instead they were arrogant, disbelieving, it couldn't possibly be them. How often do we see that.
Having worked for the HO and seen several different IT systems introduced, I can! Numerous times we told the powers that be, the new systems were either, not fit for purpose or would cause untold issues. “Don’t be ridiculous and just get in with it”
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 10 Jan 24 8.53am | |
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Get's better this . . . [Link]
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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dreamwaverider London 10 Jan 24 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Get's better this . . . [Link] I would take a very close look at his bank accounts. But I am cynical. Twenty years of dealing with local authorities has distorted my mind. Edited by dreamwaverider (10 Jan 2024 10.18am) Edited by dreamwaverider (10 Jan 2024 10.19am)
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The Dolphin 10 Jan 24 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I have a vested interest into how public money is spent. Specifically by the Cabinet Office. About 2 years ago, the CO was taken to court by a French IT company that had bid to build a new supercomputer for the Met Office. Despite following all the CO's procurement guidelines, despite meeting all the spec requirements and despite quoting less than the other bidder, it was that other bidder, that won the tender. I was due to attend Court but the night before the CO settled. They paid £24m of tax payers money to make it go away. All for not following their own in house procurement process. I tried to find out more via a FOI request which was turned down. I write to my local Conservative MP. He didn't want to know. Draw your own conclusions ! Government, local government, the public sector as a whole wastes tens - maybe hundreds - of billions of pounds of our money every year.
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silvertop Portishead 10 Jan 24 1.20pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I have a vested interest into how public money is spent. Specifically by the Cabinet Office. About 2 years ago, the CO was taken to court by a French IT company that had bid to build a new supercomputer for the Met Office. Despite following all the CO's procurement guidelines, despite meeting all the spec requirements and despite quoting less than the other bidder, it was that other bidder, that won the tender. I was due to attend Court but the night before the CO settled. They paid £24m of tax payers money to make it go away. All for not following their own in house procurement process. I tried to find out more via a FOI request which was turned down. I write to my local Conservative MP. He didn't want to know. Draw your own conclusions ! Breaching procurement rules has a very tough burden of proof and limitation is measured in days not years so you will imagine how far from the path the government strayed to get that outcome. What ground was cited for FOI refusal? Possibly a complaint to the information commissioner?
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JRW2 Dulwich 10 Jan 24 3.54pm | |
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Even before Sunak announced that all convicted postmasters would be acquitted, experts were criticising such a move on the grounds that it would represent an unprecedented case of granting Parliament primacy over the Judiciary, which would be an affront to our democracy. On "The World at One" former Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O'Donnell took the same line. An emailer to LBC this morning pointed out that this wouldn't be unprecedented, since Parliament had done the same when it decided in the late nineties to release convicted IRA terrorists, torturers and murderers. I'm no expert, but that makes sense to me.
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Jan 24 7.33pm | |
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I am against this, politicians overturning judicial decisions. It is an emotive case where the sub POs have been failed, but this could be used in other circumstances where this may not be the case, and for political gain. I think we should find some other way, and essentially compensate them forthwith regardless. They still have a long way to go, sometimes I think George Bernard Shaw's famous quote of a 'conspiracy against society' was not without merit.
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