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DanH Flag SW2 24 Jul 21 8.04pm

Originally posted by DanH

Not massively, but more faith in them then the current lot in charge uncontrolled here. If we have a decent government, Brexit could work in our favour in a lot of ways. We currently very much do not have a decent government.

 
Matov Flag 24 Jul 21 8.30pm

Originally posted by DanH

Not massively, but more faith in them then the current lot in charge uncontrolled here. If we have a decent government, Brexit could work in our favour in a lot of ways. We currently very much so not have a decent government.

Come on. Where is the vision? Of a single European entity that extends from the west coast of Ireland all the way to the Russian borders? Maybe one day even bring Russia into the fold? Ditto with places like Ukraine. From the artic circle down to the beaches of Sciily. Imagine it. Europe has created almost every work of great art, literature, music and film the world has ever known. A wonderous continent.

And if it were one, then could produce everything it ever needed. The most fertile and well-managed farmland in the world. Technological innovations abound. Manufacturing expertise and capacity that would be the envy of the world.

Europe could, if it put its collective mind to it, dwarf both the US and China in terms of being the global super-power.

Sell us the dream. Not just some dreary bleating that thinks incompetents such as that dreadful VDL woman and the likes of Lord Adonis are the ones we should put our faith in.

 

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Jul 21 11.21pm

Am pleased to see the improvement in your general level of composition.

But, and there's always a but, reality is a concept, a light year is an objective measure of distance, therefore one cannot be light years away from a reality.

I would be impressed with anybody who could get a damp squib to any form of combustion, never mind a fizzle.

Please keep posting, every site needs a contrarian.


Originally posted by Orange1290

Not at all, just what you'd like to see in your illogical and warped imagination and light years away from any form of reality. China is just doing what it can to increase its influence and trade worldwide, just like the US and the EU. The UK isn't even in in the same league let alone a few divisions lower. Orban is an idiot and China are playing him like primary school kid, easy to bribe and very cheap to do so.

Sorry to see your 'petard' fizzle out like a damp squib.......yet again.

Edited by Orange1290 (24 Jul 2021 7.31pm)

Edited by HKOwen (24 Jul 2021 11.21pm)

Edited by HKOwen (24 Jul 2021 11.23pm)

 

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Jul 21 11.24pm

At least you weren't insulted then, which is nice.


Originally posted by silvertop

The Brexit campaign consisted wholly of 2 sentences: Bring back control and Protect fear; and they have never sought to expand on it.

They insulted the educated but assessed the limitations of their support with depressing accuracy.

 

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Jul 21 11.29pm

Southernmost point of Europe is in Spain, just saying

If Australia is in Eurovision does that change the boundaries?

Originally posted by Matov

Come on. Where is the vision? Of a single European entity that extends from the west coast of Ireland all the way to the Russian borders? Maybe one day even bring Russia into the fold? Ditto with places like Ukraine. From the artic circle down to the beaches of Sciily. Imagine it. Europe has created almost every work of great art, literature, music and film the world has ever known. A wonderous continent.

And if it were one, then could produce everything it ever needed. The most fertile and well-managed farmland in the world. Technological innovations abound. Manufacturing expertise and capacity that would be the envy of the world.

Europe could, if it put its collective mind to it, dwarf both the US and China in terms of being the global super-power.

Sell us the dream. Not just some dreary bleating that thinks incompetents such as that dreadful VDL woman and the likes of Lord Adonis are the ones we should put our faith in.

 

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Aug 21 6.01pm

Well brexit clearly isn't the problem predicted.
The UK economy grew by 4.8 % between April and June.
Now even with covid as well it is only 4.4% smaller than 2 years ago. Who said hmg didn't have a scooby and we were doomed to a third world existence. Pie is being consumed as I write this I reckon

 
croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 12 Aug 21 6.26pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Well brexit clearly isn't the problem predicted.
The UK economy grew by 4.8 % between April and June.
Now even with covid as well it is only 4.4% smaller than 2 years ago. Who said hmg didn't have a scooby and we were doomed to a third world existence. Pie is being consumed as I write this I reckon

Are we any better off thou mate? If not, what was the point? When are we going to see those shekles we were promised?

 
Orange1290 Flag 13 Aug 21 12.53am

Originally posted by cryrst

Well brexit clearly isn't the problem predicted.
The UK economy grew by 4.8 % between April and June.
Now even with covid as well it is only 4.4% smaller than 2 years ago. Who said hmg didn't have a scooby and we were doomed to a third world existence. Pie is being consumed as I write this I reckon


Really?

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Aug 21 5.42am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Are we any better off thou mate? If not, what was the point? When are we going to see those shekles we were promised?

The we bit doesn't affect you CP. You have told us your minted a few times, with rentals and dosh in the bank.
Your philanthropy must give you a warm ready brek feeling inside when helping the ones that are worse off.
It isn't about being better off; it's about being no worse off. The road the UK was being pushed down imo would have done that. As for the shekles do you expect a cheque in the post?

 
cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Aug 21 5.45am

Originally posted by Orange1290


Really?

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Well I read it on the bastion of truth and honesty..... the BBC website although that headline matches what I said. I don't want a free trial of the FT. If I did I wouldn't be a plumber

 
Orange1290 Flag 24 Aug 21 2.04pm

"More than 800 people intercepted crossing English Channel in new daily record"

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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 24 Aug 21 2.21pm

Anybody know if the bookies are giving odds on whether more refugees will come across the channel or taxi’d here by the military during 2021? It could be close…

 

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 3.13pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The we bit doesn't affect you CP. You have told us your minted a few times, with rentals and dosh in the bank.
Your philanthropy must give you a warm ready brek feeling inside when helping the ones that are worse off.
It isn't about being better off; it's about being no worse off. The road the UK was being pushed down imo would have done that. As for the shekles do you expect a cheque in the post?

No chicken in kfc? No chicken in nandos? No milkshakes in maccy D"s? Shortages of certain stuff in supermarkets? I"m not minted mate, just got enough to get by if i"m sensible, but I thought the idea of brexit was for all that lovely lolly we were saving? No point saving it if it"s not going to filter down to the worker bees! Yes, no food is because of no truckers=gone home because of brexit! Now, wheres those shekles?

 
becky Flag over the moon 24 Aug 21 3.29pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

No chicken in kfc? No chicken in nandos? No milkshakes in maccy D"s? Shortages of certain stuff in supermarkets? I"m not minted mate, just got enough to get by if i"m sensible, but I thought the idea of brexit was for all that lovely lolly we were saving? No point saving it if it"s not going to filter down to the worker bees! Yes, no food is because of no truckers=gone home because of brexit! Now, wheres those shekles?

But the roads around Folkestone and Dover are a lot safer to drive these days........

Edited by becky (24 Aug 2021 3.30pm)

 

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 3.36pm

Originally posted by becky

But the roads around Folkestone and Dover are a lot safer to drive these days........

Edited by becky (24 Aug 2021 3.30pm)

That"s true! Glass half full Becky, glass half full!

 
chris123 Flag hove actually 24 Aug 21 3.52pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

No chicken in kfc? No chicken in nandos? No milkshakes in maccy D"s? Shortages of certain stuff in supermarkets? I"m not minted mate, just got enough to get by if i"m sensible, but I thought the idea of brexit was for all that lovely lolly we were saving? No point saving it if it"s not going to filter down to the worker bees! Yes, no food is because of no truckers=gone home because of brexit! Now, wheres those shekles?

Eating is a lot healthier though, and per above, roads safer - serendipity!

 
Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Aug 21 4.00pm


Some shortages aren’t Brexit related.


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Aug 21 4.20pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

No chicken in kfc? No chicken in nandos? No milkshakes in maccy D"s? Shortages of certain stuff in supermarkets? I"m not minted mate, just got enough to get by if i"m sensible, but I thought the idea of brexit was for all that lovely lolly we were saving? No point saving it if it"s not going to filter down to the worker bees! Yes, no food is because of no truckers=gone home because of brexit! Now, wheres those shekles?

It's not that they've gone home. DVLA are dragging their feet issuing a re license. 200k drivers waiting, including truckers who when aged over 50 need it renewed every 2 years I think. Don't always go for the favourite CP as it doesn't always win!

 
Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Aug 21 4.49pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

No chicken in kfc? No chicken in nandos? No milkshakes in maccy D"s? Shortages of certain stuff in supermarkets? I"m not minted mate, just got enough to get by if i"m sensible, but I thought the idea of brexit was for all that lovely lolly we were saving? No point saving it if it"s not going to filter down to the worker bees! Yes, no food is because of no truckers=gone home because of brexit! Now, wheres those shekles?


Blame the companies, they knew the situation and failed to hire and train enough drivers. People on the left often complain about the lack of training and investment in British companies well in this case they are correct.

Before we start importing cheap labour from the EU why don't we start looking after our own. I suspect there are plenty of people in the UK who would love these jobs if the companies were prepared to pay for their licence.

Isn't this what we all want companies investing in their own work forces?

I have no sympathy for the big corporations they have been getting away with poor labour practices for years because there was always another cheap EU worker around the corner.

Now they are going to have to rethink their strategy and start to look after their workers if they want to retain them.

The government must stand firm and say no. Next month 2m come off furlough and many will lose their jobs now is not the time to import cheap labour.

 

One more point
steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Aug 21 6.20pm

Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so.

But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible.

Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again.

But it's a loop there is no exit.

 
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