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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.28pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Blame the companies, they knew the situation and failed to hire and train enough drivers. People on the left often complain about the lack of training and investment in British companies well in this case they are correct. Before we start importing cheap labour from the EU why don't we start looking after our own. I suspect there are plenty of people in the UK who would love these jobs if the companies were prepared to pay for their licence. Isn't this what we all want companies investing in their own work forces? I have no sympathy for the big corporations they have been getting away with poor labour practices for years because there was always another cheap EU worker around the corner. Now they are going to have to rethink their strategy and start to look after their workers if they want to retain them. The government must stand firm and say no. Next month 2m come off furlough and many will lose their jobs now is not the time to import cheap labour. Train them up indeed Badger, train them up indeed!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.28pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Blame the companies, they knew the situation and failed to hire and train enough drivers. People on the left often complain about the lack of training and investment in British companies well in this case they are correct.

Before we start importing cheap labour from the EU why don't we start looking after our own. I suspect there are plenty of people in the UK who would love these jobs if the companies were prepared to pay for their licence.

Isn't this what we all want companies investing in their own work forces?

I have no sympathy for the big corporations they have been getting away with poor labour practices for years because there was always another cheap EU worker around the corner.

Now they are going to have to rethink their strategy and start to look after their workers if they want to retain them.

The government must stand firm and say no. Next month 2m come off furlough and many will lose their jobs now is not the time to import cheap labour.

Train them up indeed Badger, train them up indeed!

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.30pm
Originally posted by chris123 Eating is a lot healthier though, and per above, roads safer - serendipity! Yeah Chris, not saying its a bad thing for the individual not to eat this stuff, just bad for business!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.30pm

Originally posted by chris123

Eating is a lot healthier though, and per above, roads safer - serendipity!

Yeah Chris, not saying its a bad thing for the individual not to eat this stuff, just bad for business!

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.36pm
Originally posted by cryrst It's not that they've gone home. DVLA are dragging their feet issuing a re license. 200k drivers waiting, including truckers who when aged over 50 need it renewed every 2 years I think. Don't always go for the favourite CP as it doesn't always win! Heard just today 30000 have gone home mate. Thing is, we were promised shekles after, by Nigel and Jacob, they haven"t arrived !How long do we have to wait for our share out? Are we going to blame everything on covid forever?

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 24 Aug 21 9.36pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It's not that they've gone home. DVLA are dragging their feet issuing a re license. 200k drivers waiting, including truckers who when aged over 50 need it renewed every 2 years I think. Don't always go for the favourite CP as it doesn't always win!

Heard just today 30000 have gone home mate. Thing is, we were promised shekles after, by Nigel and Jacob, they haven"t arrived !How long do we have to wait for our share out? Are we going to blame everything on covid forever?

cryrst The garden of England 25 Aug 21 6.32am
Originally posted by croydon proud Heard just today 30000 have gone home mate. Thing is, we were promised shekles after, by Nigel and Jacob, they haven"t arrived !How long do we have to wait for our share out? Are we going to blame everything on covid forever? I think 300 billion will buy more than 6 months. Again though how is this money expected by yourself? A DD transfer, cheque, envelope full of cash. Maybe I wouldn't take what is said literally. Look to the USA for proof of that. Anyhow it would only be pocket change for someone of your standing

cryrst

The garden of England 25 Aug 21 6.32am

Originally posted by croydon proud

I think 300 billion will buy more than 6 months.
Again though how is this money expected by yourself?
A DD transfer, cheque, envelope full of cash. Maybe I wouldn't take what is said literally.
Look to the USA for proof of that.
Anyhow it would only be pocket change for someone of your standing

The Dolphin 25 Aug 21 7.12am
Driver shortages are down to many reasons - Brexit yes and Covid even more so. No HGV training for a year or so due to Covid and one Haulage owner was quoted as saying he has a ton of drivers waiting for the right paperwork for the Dept of Transport before they can get out on the road. It cannot simply be blamed on Brexit

The Dolphin

25 Aug 21 7.12am

Driver shortages are down to many reasons - Brexit yes and Covid even more so.
No HGV training for a year or so due to Covid and one Haulage owner was quoted as saying he has a ton of drivers waiting for the right paperwork for the Dept of Transport before they can get out on the road.
It cannot simply be blamed on Brexit

The Dolphin 25 Aug 21 7.13am
Originally posted by croydon proud Heard just today 30000 have gone home mate. Thing is, we were promised shekles after, by Nigel and Jacob, they haven"t arrived !How long do we have to wait for our share out? Are we going to blame everything on covid forever? Many may have gone back to Europe but mainly because of the pandemic as opposed to other reasons.

The Dolphin

25 Aug 21 7.13am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Many may have gone back to Europe but mainly because of the pandemic as opposed to other reasons.

HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Aug 21 7.19am
A sensible point well made Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Aug 21 7.19am

A sensible point well made

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Aug 21 9.28am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so. But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible. Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again. But it's a loop there is no exit. Agree.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Aug 21 9.28am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so.

But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible.

Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again.

But it's a loop there is no exit.

Agree.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 Aug 21 9.56am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so. But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible. Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again. But it's a loop there is no exit. I guess I am not one of the sensible ones. We have 40 years of the EU so by necessity it will take some time to untangle ourselves from it a process that started 8 months ago. We are making progress on trade deals but more needs to be done. Due to the pandemic it is difficult to identify if any bumps in the road are due to Brexit or COVID. The EU continues to be a hostile partner and is playing dangerous politics with Ireland. The Irish government should be ashamed of themselves for not telling the EU to stop being so bloody stupid, there are simple solutions they just wont implement them. I'm not sure we will ever be able to definitely say if Brexit is a success or failure as one side is a fact the other an assumption e.g. We will know our economic statistics but we can only guess what they would be if we had remained in the EU. The shortage of staff in the hospitality and HGV area has shown up the lack of preparedness by business who got lazy under the EU freedom of movement, content to pay low wages knowing that they could always replace discontented staff. For the first time in decades management is now having to look at how they recruit and keep their staff which is a good thing. Much more needs to be done by business and government, investment, proper training, improving productivity all of which Labour loved to point out the UK was behind their EU equivalents. As long as the Tories stand firm and refuse to allow in cheap labour eventually business will have to respond. As for government we haven't even started to untangle EU red tape so a long way to go yet. I don't agree that most sensible people think Brexit is a failure, the surveys still indicate that the split is about the same as when we voted. Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2021 9.58am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 Aug 21 9.56am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so.

But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible.

Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again.

But it's a loop there is no exit.

I guess I am not one of the sensible ones. We have 40 years of the EU so by necessity it will take some time to untangle ourselves from it a process that started 8 months ago.

We are making progress on trade deals but more needs to be done. Due to the pandemic it is difficult to identify if any bumps in the road are due to Brexit or COVID.

The EU continues to be a hostile partner and is playing dangerous politics with Ireland. The Irish government should be ashamed of themselves for not telling the EU to stop being so bloody stupid, there are simple solutions they just wont implement them.

I'm not sure we will ever be able to definitely say if Brexit is a success or failure as one side is a fact the other an assumption e.g. We will know our economic statistics but we can only guess what they would be if we had remained in the EU.

The shortage of staff in the hospitality and HGV area has shown up the lack of preparedness by business who got lazy under the EU freedom of movement, content to pay low wages knowing that they could always replace discontented staff. For the first time in decades management is now having to look at how they recruit and keep their staff which is a good thing.

Much more needs to be done by business and government, investment, proper training, improving productivity all of which Labour loved to point out the UK was behind their EU equivalents.

As long as the Tories stand firm and refuse to allow in cheap labour eventually business will have to respond.

As for government we haven't even started to untangle EU red tape so a long way to go yet.

I don't agree that most sensible people think Brexit is a failure, the surveys still indicate that the split is about the same as when we voted.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2021 9.58am)

One more point

PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Aug 21 11.34am
Originally posted by Badger11 The EU continues to be a hostile partner and is playing dangerous politics with Ireland. The Irish government should be ashamed of themselves for not telling the EU to stop being so bloody stupid, there are simple solutions they just wont implement them. Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2021 9.58am) All irish governments work for the EU ( & the Multinationals ). And all the while with very little reference to the actual wishes of the irish people. RTE makes the BBC look reasonable and unbiased. democracy ? ha - US warplanes at Shannon airport - the Marrakech treaty on refugees - immigration & housing - citizenship & naturalisation laws - hostility toward the UK & Brexit & the use of the Ulster border as a bullying tactic. - a labour market which penalises efforts and rewards the workshy - the colonisation of many small towns & villages with men from the Third World....at taxpayer expense. all of the above Policies are at stark variance from the wishes of the irish nation. Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Aug 2021 11.43am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 25 Aug 21 11.34am

Originally posted by Badger11

Edited by Badger11 (25 Aug 2021 9.58am)

All irish governments work for the EU ( & the Multinationals ). And all the while with very little reference to the actual wishes of the irish people. RTE makes the BBC look reasonable and unbiased.

democracy ? ha

- US warplanes at Shannon airport
- the Marrakech treaty on refugees

- immigration & housing
- citizenship & naturalisation laws

- hostility toward the UK & Brexit & the use of the Ulster border as a bullying tactic.
- a labour market which penalises efforts and rewards the workshy

- the colonisation of many small towns & villages with men from the Third World....at taxpayer expense.

all of the above Policies are at stark variance from the wishes of the irish nation.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Aug 2021 11.43am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Aug 21 1.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst I think 300 billion will buy more than 6 months. Again though how is this money expected by yourself? A DD transfer, cheque, envelope full of cash. Maybe I wouldn't take what is said literally. Look to the USA for proof of that. Anyhow it would only be pocket change for someone of your standing At ease mate, at ease!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 25 Aug 21 1.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

At ease mate, at ease!

HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Aug 21 11.05pm
I don't know what most sensible people would acknowledge, but for me, it is far too early to make any sensible judgement on whether Brexit will be a success or failure. The pandemic has skewed all aspects of life and commerce Originally posted by steeleye20 Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so. But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible. Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again. But it's a loop there is no exit. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Aug 21 11.05pm

I don't know what most sensible people would acknowledge, but for me, it is far too early to make any sensible judgement on whether Brexit will be a success or failure.

The pandemic has skewed all aspects of life and commerce

Originally posted by steeleye20

Most sensible people would acknowledge that brexit is a failure, including the tories themselves some of who are saying so.

But it does not appear to be a crushing defeat, like the 'sky falling in' although it probably actually is as it is irreversible.

Rather like Afghanistan its become normal to fail at nearly everything, brush it all of and go again.

But it's a loop there is no exit.

BlueJay UK 25 Aug 21 11.29pm
Even those against Brexit should hope that it's a success really, as there's little mileage or goodness in hoping that the country fails. I urge those people to view it as a 'freebie', in that if it's a success then your fears were unfounded, and if it fails and we're back with our tail between our legs then you'll get the outcome you wanted.

BlueJay

UK 25 Aug 21 11.29pm

Even those against Brexit should hope that it's a success really, as there's little mileage or goodness in hoping that the country fails. I urge those people to view it as a 'freebie', in that if it's a success then your fears were unfounded, and if it fails and we're back with our tail between our legs then you'll get the outcome you wanted.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Aug 21 11.50am
Originally posted by BlueJay Even those against Brexit should hope that it's a success really, as there's little mileage or goodness in hoping that the country fails. I urge those people to view it as a 'freebie', in that if it's a success then your fears were unfounded, and if it fails and we're back with our tail between our legs then you'll get the outcome you wanted. I doubt there'll be a rush to take the UK back. The club will be too cosy by then and the key party committees will be in full swing. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Aug 21 11.50am

Originally posted by BlueJay

I doubt there'll be a rush to take the UK back. The club will be too cosy by then and the key party committees will be in full swing.

Red and Blue Army!

HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Aug 21 11.52am
IMHO over the next 10-15 years the EU will be struggling if in existence at all as more countries leave. There will be push back from the net contributors against the net takers Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 26 Aug 21 11.52am

IMHO over the next 10-15 years the EU will be struggling if in existence at all as more countries leave. There will be push back from the net contributors against the net takers

Orange1290 26 Aug 21 12.13pm
Originally posted by HKOwen IMHO over the next 10-15 years the EU will be struggling if in existence at all as more countries leave. There will be push back from the net contributors against the net takers Based on no factual information just what you would like to see. I remember people stating similar things about the Euro around 20 years ago on how it's demise in the following years was clear. Well look, the Euro is alive and healthy and so is in fact the EU. Sure there are some disagreements but that's to be expected in the world's largest trading bloc made up of 27 members, to think otherwise is naive and misinformed. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

26 Aug 21 12.13pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

IMHO over the next 10-15 years the EU will be struggling if in existence at all as more countries leave. There will be push back from the net contributors against the net takers

Based on no factual information just what you would like to see. I remember people stating similar things about the Euro around 20 years ago on how it's demise in the following years was clear. Well look, the Euro is alive and healthy and so is in fact the EU. Sure there are some disagreements but that's to be expected in the world's largest trading bloc made up of 27 members, to think otherwise is naive and misinformed.

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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Aug 21 12.31pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I doubt there'll be a rush to take the UK back. The club will be too cosy by then and the key party committees will be in full swing. Agreed. I doubt if the EU would want us back as we seemed to oppose every new thing they wanted to do. In the long run I feel it's better for both parties that we went our own way. I don't expect those who voted Remain to agree but be honest whether it was Labour or Tory we always seemed to be swimming against the tide of public opinion in the EU. So unless UK voters and political parties suddenly feel an urge to become full on EU members joining the euro and abolishing borders and signing up to full integration we would just be the anchor slowing them down. They had 40 years of that from us and I suspect they've enough of that. Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2021 12.32pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 26 Aug 21 12.31pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I doubt there'll be a rush to take the UK back. The club will be too cosy by then and the key party committees will be in full swing.

Agreed. I doubt if the EU would want us back as we seemed to oppose every new thing they wanted to do. In the long run I feel it's better for both parties that we went our own way.

I don't expect those who voted Remain to agree but be honest whether it was Labour or Tory we always seemed to be swimming against the tide of public opinion in the EU.

So unless UK voters and political parties suddenly feel an urge to become full on EU members joining the euro and abolishing borders and signing up to full integration we would just be the anchor slowing them down. They had 40 years of that from us and I suspect they've enough of that.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Aug 2021 12.32pm)

One more point

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Aug 21 1.15pm
Originally posted by BlueJay Even those against Brexit should hope that it's a success really, as there's little mileage or goodness in hoping that the country fails. I urge those people to view it as a 'freebie', in that if it's a success then your fears were unfounded, and if it fails and we're back with our tail between our legs then you'll get the outcome you wanted. I can hope it's a success, but that doesn't change the reality. There's even less value in pretending everything is fine and nothing is the fault of Brexit, which is what is happening currently. We'll never have access to the deal we had before.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 26 Aug 21 1.15pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

I can hope it's a success, but that doesn't change the reality.

There's even less value in pretending everything is fine and nothing is the fault of Brexit, which is what is happening currently.

We'll never have access to the deal we had before.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 21 12.24pm
Today's threats: [Link] Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 21 12.24pm

Today's threats:

[Link]

Red and Blue Army!

Orange1290 27 Aug 21 12.34pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Today's threats: [Link] Certainly not from the EU. An agreement has been signed. The 'threat' is from the UK not honouring that agreement as it has shown over the last 12 months by breaking the agreement it signed in December 2020 in various ways. Unfortunately the UK has garnered itself an international reputation for breaking agreements unilaterally, that's why the EU has to emphasise contractual obligations at every step. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

27 Aug 21 12.34pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Today's threats:

[Link]

Certainly not from the EU. An agreement has been signed. The 'threat' is from the UK not honouring that agreement as it has shown over the last 12 months by breaking the agreement it signed in December 2020 in various ways. Unfortunately the UK has garnered itself an international reputation for breaking agreements unilaterally, that's why the EU has to emphasise contractual obligations at every step.

Pro China, EU & Palestine

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