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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jul 20 5.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The decline of this nation (true) is due to the Conservative Party.

Well, Blair had a good go.

However, while we might disagree upon some the causes I can't disagree with you that Tory governments have unfortunately been front and centre.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, Blair had a good go.

However, while we might disagree upon some the causes I can't disagree with you that Tory governments have unfortunately been front and centre.

TB what were you doing.........

 

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jeeagles Flag 16 Jul 20 6.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yet more evidence of the leftish infiltration and now dominance of the legal profession that has been a part of their march through the institutions for generations.

Conservative governments have only themselves to blame.....they ignored it within the universities and sat on their hands. Indeed, conservatives have promoted these terrible people within organisations...I'm reminded of Amber Rudd being responsible for promoting Cressida Dick to Met commissioner.

This kind of awful upper class person who works against the good of the nation is the default within the legal profession. We saw it with that ridiculous decision on Brexit where they chose to make unprecedented law because they are remainers and now here because they are leftists.

They are insulated from any of the consequences but are part of the decline of this nation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2020 5.30pm)

Not sure what more the government can do. The law is a blunt instrimunt. No government would ever make legislation that ruled that if a child travelled abroad to join a terrorist organisation theny they should have their citizenship revoked (as long as it doesn't leave them stateless).

Not only was this situation probably unforeseeable, a law like that would be wide open to abuse by the Governement. For example, they could say Huawei/Google/Russia Today are terrorist organisation and British Nationals working for them will not be allowed back in the country. Could be used to get rid of Alex Samond.

Governements can impose criminal law retrospectively. That would be an extemely dangerous precident.

We're not even half way through this story. At the moment, she can't get in the country. If she ever manages too, she'll be prosecuted. If she is still involved in terrorist activites dragging this case on will only delay and disrupt them from planning other attacks.

If this were a football match, the UK team would still be ahead. Here legal team have pretty much made a goal line clearance. Nothing more.

 

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 16 Jul 20 6.37pm Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

My only concern is that taxpayers money will be spent repatriating her. Whether she regains her citizenship or not faces prosecution or is rehabilitated. She left this country on her pwn volition, had her travel paid most probably by supporters or her family. If there is a chance to bring her home then it is up to them to pay the full cost.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 Jul 20 6.57pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

So 'surely we cant keep blaming everybody else for the rights mess all the time' becomes 'Labour Lib Dem’s SNP will always vote against any change'.

Presumably that means the Conservative Government simply wasn't in charge for the past 10 years. I think overall I agree with you, I would not have let them organise a party in a beer manufacturer.

I think you have missed the point, with no majority or a very small majority it was not possible to implement change as those I mentioned would always vote against change. Is that really difficult to understand?

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Labour would have made her 'spokesperson on the Middle East'.

Seriously Corbyn would not be bombing Libya or supplying weapons used against the Yemen etc.

Nor been involved in Iraq.

The tory policies are responsible for some of the increase in islamic terrorism, with the results on our own streets.

'Funny the folks there just didn't get our policies' -Obama.


He would have been in bed with every terrorist organisation known to man

 

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Originally posted by CPFC1965

My only concern is that taxpayers money will be spent repatriating her. Whether she regains her citizenship or not faces prosecution or is rehabilitated. She left this country on her pwn volition, had her travel paid most probably by supporters or her family. If there is a chance to bring her home then it is up to them to pay the full cost.

And was old enough to realise she had to use her sister’s passport to leave the UK

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jul 20 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The decline of this nation (true) is due to the Conservative Party.


Its due to all of them. The PPE class of professional politicans above all else who have been bought and paid for since probably their Oxbridge graduations. And not only in Westminster but in almost any and every major public instituition.

Hence we need a complete reset.

Western Civilisation either has to be worth preserving or else replacing. There is no middle ground anymore and the tech giants need smashing.

We are akin to frogs at the moment, swimming around whilst the water around them grows hotter and hotter until it boils us to death.

What I actually respect, and envy a little, about the Left is that they have their Marxist blue-print to how they want the world to be. Conformity of thought, of income, of any and everything really. Turning us all into some kind of soft-focus Coca-cola adverts whilst the top 5% or so lord it over us all and decide what we can like or not.

Compared to the Right, who are all far more individualistic and with no real common goal, or rather not one that is allowed to take hold. We have the brains but lack the focus.

 


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Originally posted by jeeagles

Not sure what more the government can do. The law is a blunt instrimunt. No government would ever make legislation that ruled that if a child travelled abroad to join a terrorist organisation theny they should have their citizenship revoked (as long as it doesn't leave them stateless).

Not only was this situation probably unforeseeable, a law like that would be wide open to abuse by the Governement. For example, they could say Huawei/Google/Russia Today are terrorist organisation and British Nationals working for them will not be allowed back in the country. Could be used to get rid of Alex Samond.

Governements can impose criminal law retrospectively. That would be an extemely dangerous precident.

We're not even half way through this story. At the moment, she can't get in the country. If she ever manages too, she'll be prosecuted. If she is still involved in terrorist activites dragging this case on will only delay and disrupt them from planning other attacks.

If this were a football match, the UK team would still be ahead. Here legal team have pretty much made a goal line clearance. Nothing more.


My point is less to do with the specific situation as it stands now. But more to do with the laws as they stand and how that came into being....which is to do with the majority of people who comprise that profession.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jul 20 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


My point is less to do with the specific situation as it stands now. But more to do with the laws as they stand and how that came into being....which is to do with the majority of people who comprise that profession.


Absolutely. And at this level, how they choose to intreperate it. I think people forget, or never real quite grapsed, what happened last year in the attempt to thawrt our depature from the EU. How conventions hundreds of years old were turned on their head by Bercow, how the courts effectively took a purely political decision rather than just standing aside, as they should have done.

What happened last year was a full on attempted soft-coup to usurp the democratic will of the people. And in the end, Labour pushed a policy guaranteed to ensure the defeat of their own leader.

We truly live in f***ed up political times. Nothing else is comparable ever really.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. And at this level, how they choose to intreperate it. I think people forget, or never real quite grapsed, what happened last year in the attempt to thawrt our depature from the EU. How conventions hundreds of years old were turned on their head by Bercow, how the courts effectively took a purely political decision rather than just standing aside, as they should have done.

What happened last year was a full on attempted soft-coup to usurp the democratic will of the people. And in the end, Labour pushed a policy guaranteed to ensure the defeat of their own leader.

We truly live in f***ed up political times. Nothing else is comparable ever really.

Indeed Matov, I couldn't have put it better myself.

While I don't agree with Hitchens on everything I think his contention that the genuine right need to stop supporting the modern conservative party, which is globalist and socially liberal and instead start a new one is ultimately logically valid.

Social conservativism has been hollowed out and it needs to rebuild and start again.

Sure, it's true that this will let in the far left into government but to be honest I think we need to go through that pain for the younger generations to realise their folly and for social conservatism to regain its primacy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jul 2020 8.11pm)

 


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jeeagles Flag 16 Jul 20 10.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


My point is less to do with the specific situation as it stands now. But more to do with the laws as they stand and how that came into being....which is to do with the majority of people who comprise that profession.

Could be that lawyers who work for the government such as the CPS are just useless civil servants.

The private sector who are challenging the government get much better employees who end up running rings around the civil service.

 

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