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YT Flag Oxford 31 Oct 19 10.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I remember those days very well. Thatcher was a necessary evil for a while. I thought she was an awful person but that doesn't mean I couldn't grudgingly admire some of her attributes. Dealing with the unions was always going to be done. It just happened to be on her watch that it happened. She was left in place far too long by the bunch of weak men standing behind her.

Well certainly not by James Callaghan, Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock or John Smith!!!

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Oct 19 10.18am

Originally posted by Matov

Despite my own desire for a GE, now that it is actually here all I feel is a real flatness. Because no matter who wins, it will be one of those b******s. MP's. Politicians. Who disgust me now.

All I want is for us to leave the EU and I will vote accordingly (although where I live you could stick a chimp on a suit with a blue rosette and it will win) but once that has been achieved, reckon I will try and give up this political malarkey for good.

Yes, Corbyn is a genuine nightmare option but the more I try to reason it out, I cannot have much more faith in Johnson.

Throw in what is going with this stitch-up of the LFB over Grenfal where their only 'crime' was actually basing their response on the idea that the cladding was truly as flameproof as it was claimed (and I have no real dog in this fight. No family or friends as firemen, just the notion that I know a stitch-up when I see one) and my disgust for our entire system of Governance grows by the hour.

I want a Johnson majority simply for the fact that it is the only one that offers any real chances of a credible Brexit happening.

But beyond that? No. We need a revolution in terms of how this country is run. Because as it is, simply not fit for purpose.

The labour manifesto of 2017 was the reason for their unexpected success, but on inspection it is far removed from revolution.

People paying 3% more tax on incomes over 80k is not even Blairite.

So lets have revolution this time please or at least a pretend one.

Johnson credible? M it is 'do or die' day, glad you are not 'dead in a ditch'.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Oct 19 10.23am

Originally posted by YT

Well certainly not by James Callaghan, Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock or John Smith!!!

Actually the real villain was Harold Wilson. In the late 1960's he and Barbara Castle proposed modest trade uniform reforms the union heavy mob threatened Wilson and he backed down. If those reforms, which were much weaker than the current laws, have been passed we may not have had the winter of discontent or even Thatcher.

Thatcher was the necessary evil because her predecessors didn't have the guts to take on the unions.

 


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YT Flag Oxford 31 Oct 19 10.24am

Originally posted by Badger11

I wondered when Gina Miller would pop up although I thought it would likely be a court hearing to determine the validity of having a GE?

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I am not outraged it is all very predictable although some might want to know where she is getting the money for this. Anyway she will be the first of many from all sides pushing the tactical vote angle.

Apparently Farage has told his party they will target soft Labour seats and leave Tory euro sceptics along.

This is likely to be the most tactical voting GE ever.

According to the shadow justice secretary this morning, Labour will be banging on about how the "wealthy few" influence what goes on in this country.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Oct 19 10.31am

Look, I'm obviously on the right but even so I like some of Corbyn's policies....there are aspects of the far left that I respect....the parts that are honest.

However, anyone with reason who watched the Labour conference this summer must have felt forced fed with fruitcake.

A four-day week within 10 years? One which would have an average of 32 hours and come with no loss of pay?

Fruitcake fantasy.

They think we can get to net zero carbon emissions by 2030 without ruining the economy….All while apparently giving extra time off for menopausal women.

Fruitcake fantasy.

Uncontrolled immigration, free access to the NHS for the whole world, release all detainees, votes for anyone, from anywhere, with welfare benefits for everyone who makes it across the channel.

Fruitcake with extra fruitcake.

They worry and fear monger about the Tories and the NHS, which is fundamentally a funding problem yet have apparently no issues with putting Corbyn and co in charge of Trident and Britain’s contribution to NATO…..NATO, an institution, which he sees as a tool of western imperialism.

Labour, run by Corbyn, aren’t a serious political force, they are more like a protest group, a load of NGOs, who think that throwing other people’s money at problems will solve them. If they actually got in it would resemble a collection of sixth form commies holding the reigns of power.

In some sense it would fit with my love of the absurd, but after a month the amusement would wear off.


Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2019 11.04am)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Oct 19 10.36am

Originally posted by Badger11

Actually the real villain was Harold Wilson. In the late 1960's he and Barbara Castle proposed modest trade uniform reforms the union heavy mob threatened Wilson and he backed down. If those reforms, which were much weaker than the current laws, have been passed we may not have had the winter of discontent or even Thatcher.

Thatcher was the necessary evil because her predecessors didn't have the guts to take on the unions.

Right, 'in place of strife' from Barbara Castle.

If only Wilson had not given in, it could have been so different.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 31 Oct 19 11.08am

Originally posted by YT

According to the shadow justice secretary this morning, Labour will be banging on about how the "wealthy few" influence what goes on in this country.

Considering it's Labour....are you sure you spelt 'few' correctly there?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Oct 19 11.43am

Originally posted by YT

According to the shadow justice secretary this morning, Labour will be banging on about how the "wealthy few" influence what goes on in this country.

The sheer audacity of Corbyn to talk about people's this and people's that when he has spent the last three years denying the people what they voted for.
And now he says we must trust the people in a second referendum.
What an utter scumbag.

I'm going to find it hard to stay calm through this.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Oct 19 11.45am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Look, I'm obviously on the right but even so I like some of Corbyn's policies....there are aspects of the far left that I respect....the parts that are honest.

However, anyone with reason who watched the Labour conference this summer must have felt forced fed with fruitcake.

A four-day week within 10 years? One which would have an average of 32 hours and come with no loss of pay?

Fruitcake fantasy.

They think we can get to net zero carbon emissions by 2030 without ruining the economy….All while apparently giving extra time off for menopausal women.

Fruitcake fantasy.

Uncontrolled immigration, free access to the NHS for the whole world, release all detainees, votes for anyone, from anywhere, with welfare benefits for everyone who makes it across the channel.

Fruitcake with extra fruitcake.

They worry and fear monger about the Tories and the NHS, which is fundamentally a funding problem yet have apparently no issues with putting Corbyn and co in charge of Trident and Britain’s contribution to NATO…..NATO, an institution, which he sees as a tool of western imperialism.

Labour, run by Corbyn, aren’t a serious political force, they are more like a protest group, a load of NGOs, who think that throwing other people’s money at problems will solve them. If they actually got in it would resemble a collection of sixth form commies holding the reigns of power.

In some sense it would fit with my love of the absurd, but after a month the amusement would wear off.


Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2019 11.04am)

Welcome back.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 11.47am

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed I have supported an array of Conservative PMs/leaders over the years with vim and vigour.

At the end of the day I am a dyed-in-the-wool Tory and I have been more than willing to pound the streets in national and local elections as well as getting knee-deep in mud erecting boards in the fields.My support covers an array of activities including being a 'Teller' at the polling station.

Edited by Willo (31 Oct 2019 9.33am)

So without any attempt at analysing whether the policies of the then current guise of the party were actually in line with your own? Just on tribal lines? Like the "working class" vote Labour, come what may?

Not many like you still out there.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 19 12.00pm

It's rumoured locally that after the Halloween party tonight in our local that a group of public spirited folk are preparing to search the neighbourhood. They are taking the defibrillator with them.

They aren't looking for the traditional bad spirits, ghosts or ghoulies but a very specific and particularly nasty and dangerous one.

They will be searching the ditches looking for PMs about to expire as, much as some think he might deserve his comeuppance, it is thought he as cannot really be held responsible for being a prat, he ought to be saved so he can face the mirth of the electorate.

Cue cartoons of Johnson dressed as Worzel Guumidge.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Oct 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Welcome back.

Cheers Hrolf.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Oct 19 12.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's rumoured locally that after the Halloween party tonight in our local that a group of public spirited folk are preparing to search the neighbourhood. They are taking the defibrillator with them.

They aren't looking for the traditional bad spirits, ghosts or ghoulies but a very specific and particularly nasty and dangerous one.

They will be searching the ditches looking for PMs about to expire as, much as some think he might deserve his comeuppance, it is thought he as cannot really be held responsible for being a prat, he ought to be saved so he can face the mirth of the electorate.

Cue cartoons of Johnson dressed as Worzel Guumidge.

Not what the polls are indicating but I did like Worzel Gummidge.

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 31 Oct 19 12.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's rumoured locally that after the Halloween party tonight in our local that a group of public spirited folk are preparing to search the neighbourhood. They are taking the defibrillator with them.

They aren't looking for the traditional bad spirits, ghosts or ghoulies but a very specific and particularly nasty and dangerous one.

They will be searching the ditches looking for PMs about to expire as, much as some think he might deserve his comeuppance, it is thought he as cannot really be held responsible for being a prat, he ought to be saved so he can face the mirth of the electorate.

Cue cartoons of Johnson dressed as Worzel Guumidge.

why would Johnson want to dress like Corbyn ??

 

mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 Oct 19 12.33pm

Originally posted by Willo

Indeed I have supported an array of Conservative PMs/leaders over the years with vim and vigour.

At the end of the day I am a dyed-in-the-wool Tory and I have been more than willing to pound the streets in national and local elections as well as getting knee-deep in mud erecting boards in the fields.My support covers an array of activities including being a 'Teller' at the polling station.

Genuine question Willo....why do you do that? Has there ever been an incidence anywhere, ever, where someone has seen a board in a muddy field and thought to themselves, "That's it. I was struggling to decide who to vote for in this election, but now I've seen that board I'm going to vote Conservative"?

Or any party for that matter?

Edited by Willo (31 Oct 2019 9.33am)

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 Oct 19 12.34pm

Not sure why that's come out as edited by Willo? Anyway, you get my drift.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Oct 19 12.45pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Perhaps Willo will keep us informed of his door-step experiences as this turgid campaign unfolds.

I plan to fill my water holder up and gently prod tory canvassers in its general direction.

It will add some interest and kids love that sort of thing.

Labour canvassers will be given a slap-up meal and a promise to vote for them 500 times at least.


 

Stirlingsays Flag 31 Oct 19 1.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Perhaps Willo will keep us informed of his door-step experiences as this turgid campaign unfolds.

I plan to fill my water holder up and gently prod tory canvassers in its general direction.

It will add some interest and kids love that sort of thing.

Labour canvassers will be given a slap-up meal and a promise to vote for them 500 times at least.


I think you might need quite a few more zeros.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2019 1.03pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 19 1.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Perhaps Willo will keep us informed of his door-step experiences as this turgid campaign unfolds.

I plan to fill my water holder up and gently prod tory canvassers in its general direction.

It will add some interest and kids love that sort of thing.

Labour canvassers will be given a slap-up meal and a promise to vote for them 500 times at least.


Certainly no time for a running commentary on HOL.
I certainly expect a positive response on the doorsteps in my constituency.

I will not have any canvassers from the other parties knock on my oak door, if indeed they bother to canvas in my area.The Conservative election boards and posters on prominent display will act as a deterrent!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Oct 19 1.13pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Not sure why that's come out as edited by Willo? Anyway, you get my drift.

Another form of political advertising.
In many cases they highlight the name of the candidate.

Besides, the boards not only get erected in fields but on premises of supporters who wish to advertise their support in such a manner.They also indicate their support by posters in windows.Keeps away canvassers from other parties as well!

Some local associations are more active in terms of the display of boards than others.

Edited by Willo (31 Oct 2019 1.15pm)

 

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