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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 21 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or possibly the available stock has been used up by people testing themselves every 20 minutes. Very possibly Teddy, but any competent government would know you can"t trust Joe public to follow the rules to the hilt, or even understand them the way this lot keep changing them. But to be sure, in a pandemic, you have to over order, for a rainy day, just to veer on the safe side, this looks like it wasn"t done- perhaps they were still hung over from the previous nights party!Incompetence none the less, CONservative gov incompetence!
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 Stirlingsays  13 Dec 21 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Sorry how on Earth does that back anything up? There is literally nothing that can be drawn to conclude even remotely that it is anything to do with the vaccine. These are professionals in the field. I thought you considered that important. What they actually said didn't seem related to the vaccine but to the effect of decisions taken. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 3.10pm)
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 21 3.13pm |
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3 hour queues for jab in Hungerford, if you don"t have corona, you sure could be catching flu or at best a bad cold!
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 3.38pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The issue isn’t in agreeing to be vaccinated but in dressing it up as some sort of duty to society or saving the NHS. I got jabbed x3 to reduce the chance of catching a disease not out of some moral obligation. Century of the self and all that
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 21 3.48pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Century of the self and all that I know, I'm remembering back to 1999....Those are the days...the number of times I'd found myself tripping over all those altruistic middle class Buddhas lined up outside NHS hospitals desperate to give blood and organs so that their fellow man/woman could go on with their lives. Or did I eat some old cheese last night and dream it all? I really must stop eating cheese at night. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 4.54pm)
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know, I'm remembering back to 1999....Those are the days...the number of times I'm found myself tripping over all those altruistic middle class Buddhas lined up outside NHS hospitals desperate to give blood and organs so that their fellow man/woman could go on with their lives. Or did I eat some old cheese last night and dream it all? I really must stop eating cheese at night. Haha look stop being so endlessly cynical Just because some people don't care about their impact on society or how their own actions can benefit others through simple courtesies doesn't stop people who want to be a little less selfish doing so. It also doesn't mean that you have to do it all the time – just be a little more socially polite and considerate when you can. Can't see what's wrong with that...
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 21 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Haha look stop being so endlessly cynical Just because some people don't care about their impact on society or how their own actions can benefit others through simple courtesies doesn't stop people who want to be a little less selfish doing so. It also doesn't mean that you have to do it all the time – just be a little more socially polite and considerate when you can. Can't see what's wrong with that... I think if you get to fifty and aren't cynical you're probably missing a sandwich somewhere.....you never know by the time you get there you might make me look like Bambi. Being considerate to others is certainly well mannered and of course harmless if it isn't taken advantage of.....Personally I wouldn't take to the extent of taking vaccines for others, but I tip my hat your way if you wish to. Perhaps I'd consider it a little more if my parents were still knocking about but by fifty that's often not the case. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 9.44pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Dec 21 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
WE are out of home testing kits- how on earth are we ment to test ourselves if we think we might have the virus, but are not sure to go in to work or not , prime minister? In a pandemic, ongoing for nearly 2 years, didn"t anyone, anyone at all in the government, think of ordering enough testing kits? Surely that 47 billion hasn't gone already.
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| cryrst The garden of England 13 Dec 21 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Very possibly Teddy, but any competent government would know you can"t trust Joe public to follow the rules to the hilt, or even understand them the way this lot keep changing them. But to be sure, in a pandemic, you have to over order, for a rainy day, just to veer on the safe side, this looks like it wasn"t done- perhaps they were still hung over from the previous nights party!Incompetence none the less, CONservative gov incompetence! Have a lie down or you will go mad....der.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 21 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Surely that 47 billion hasn't gone already. Accused. ha ha, pet food and PPE" R "us.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 21 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Have a lie down or you will go mad....der. Ha, I thank you!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The issue isn’t in agreeing to be vaccinated, but in dressing it up as some sort of duty to society or saving the NHS. I got jabbed x3 to reduce the chance of catching a disease, not out of some moral obligation. Whatever your motivation for getting jabbed, the effect is to reduce the stress on the NHS. In making yourself safer, you do that. By not being as likely to be infectious to others, you do that. We don't live is isolation, unless we are a hermit. We share our country and have responsibilities to each other, whether we like it, or not. Some responsibilities are mandated by laws, others by a moral obligation, but all are important. We need to be team players, and not only play for ourselves. You know very well that teams are stronger when they are well organised and perform as a group. That's all that's asked. Play your part as a team member. If you don't, then you face being dropped.
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Teddy Eagle  13 Dec 21 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whatever your motivation for getting jabbed, the effect is to reduce the stress on the NHS. In making yourself safer, you do that. By not being as likely to be infectious to others, you do that. We don't live is isolation, unless we are a hermit. We share our country and have responsibilities to each other, whether we like it, or not. Some responsibilities are mandated by laws, others by a moral obligation, but all are important. We need to be team players, and not only play for ourselves. You know very well that teams are stronger when they are well organised and perform as a group. That's all that's asked. Play your part as a team member. If you don't, then you face being dropped. I said I’ve had my jabs isn’t that enough? Who cares about the reasons?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The named professionals in that article all backing up the health issues raised by the surgeon in a previously linked video.....which was rather ruthlessly and as it turns out rather predictively inaccurately attacked by some in this thread. If those figures turn out to be correct it's a massive and criminal scandal on a near unprecedented scale. They absolutely don't. The kind of things they are saying are well understood and not controversial. Everyone knows that the steps that have been taken, and continue to be taken, have their consequences. They aren't what was criticised. It was the idea that such consequences ought to mean that the steps we have taken ought not to have been taken. Your non-expert is perfectly entitled to speak up for his speciality, but isn't any more qualified than you to reach a conclusion on what we need to do as a country. Those that are need to weigh all the evidence, and not just a selected part of it, to reach very difficult and often finely balanced decisions. Don't that let that stop you thinking you know better, though. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2021 6.44pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I said I’ve had my jabs isn’t that enough? Who cares about the reasons? That's what I said too, but you were inferring that moral obligations don't exist, when I believe it's unarguably true that they do. At the end of the day, so long as people get vaccinated, it's not going to matter. It's better they do it because they care, but if they do it because they have no choice unless they are prepared to become a hermit, then for now, who cares?
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| Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 21 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's what I said too, but you were inferring that moral obligations don't exist, when I believe it's unarguably true that they do. At the end of the day, so long as people get vaccinated, it's not going to matter. It's better they do it because they care, but if they do it because they have no choice unless they are prepared to become a hermit, then for now, who cares? Of course they exist but in this case they’re not of any particular importance. The NHS and everybody else gets exactly the same benefit from my vaccination as from anyone else.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Of course they exist but in this case they’re not of any particular importance. The NHS and everybody else gets exactly the same benefit from my vaccination as from anyone else. They become important when they are ignored. What do you think about those who could be vaccinated, but don't for purely ideological reasons? If the overwhelming belief of the scientific specialists is that they are safe, that real time experience has confirmed that belief and that the experts say this is the best, and quickest, way out of the pandemic, do you think everyone has a moral obligation to put the needs of society above whatever reservations they may themselves have? If they cannot, for whatever reason, agree to do that and their refusal will seriously affect the rest of us, via our own health and the impact on the NHS's ability to deliver the healthcare we need, or may need, what ought we to do? Just "suck it up", because that's their decision? Or take such avoiding actions as we have at our disposal?
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| Helmet46 Croydon 13 Dec 21 8.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When our stupidity in 2016 will negatively impact both the rest of my life, and that of my wife, my children and grandchildren, is it any wonder? Brexit was the UK's biggest political failure in my lifetime. Oh don’t be such a drama Queen. I voted remain but I’m not crying about it for my family. We just have to see how it goes once we can shed ourselves of the idiot Johnson and get on with it. The country made a decision whether we like it or not.
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| Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 21 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They become important when they are ignored. What do you think about those who could be vaccinated, but don't for purely ideological reasons? If the overwhelming belief of the scientific specialists is that they are safe, that real time experience has confirmed that belief and that the experts say this is the best, and quickest, way out of the pandemic, do you think everyone has a moral obligation to put the needs of society above whatever reservations they may themselves have? If they cannot, for whatever reason, agree to do that and their refusal will seriously affect the rest of us, via our own health and the impact on the NHS's ability to deliver the healthcare we need, or may need, what ought we to do? Just "suck it up", because that's their decision? Or take such avoiding actions as we have at our disposal? I’d prefer it if everybody got the vaccine but don’t like the idea of ostracising those who don’t. Personal preferences are no different to religious objections and we make exceptions for those.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 9.32pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I’d prefer it if everybody got the vaccine but don’t like the idea of ostracising those who don’t. Personal preferences are no different to religious objections and we make exceptions for those. Religion is not the same as science. It's a bad comparison. Also no one is being ostracised – if you're referring to having to show proof of vaccination, a simple lateral flow is sufficient. Really don't see what the drama is all about People literally have the right to refuse it. And so they should have that right. But that shouldn't make them exempt from criticism or questioning, especially if they're firing shots the other way. The amount of times I read on here about 'lefty whining' and now some of the same protagonists are complaining about being debated on the merits of their reasoning for not being vaccinated. Trying to equate tangible data and research with preferences and religion is a bit odd.
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