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 Midlands Eagle  25 Sep 19 10.46am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Policies that have come out of conference: Green New Deal Nationalisation of many of the utilities I like the way that if any pharmaceutical company wants too much for their medicines a Labour Government will manufacture a generic copy with Corbyn Pharmaceuticals Ltd I presume that patents are meaningless to our Jezza
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.00am |
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Nah, they just want our money nowdays, and like idiots we keep giving it to them.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 11.04am |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Nah, they just want our money nowdays, and like idiots we keep giving it to them. Yep, but if we 'no deal' they are fecked. They trade most with us but stuck all their eggs in the EU basket. It will be interesting to see what happens on that score.
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 becky over the moon 25 Sep 19 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Nationalisation of many of the utilities I like the way that if any pharmaceutical company wants too much for their medicines a Labour Government will manufacture a generic copy with Corbyn Pharmaceuticals Ltd I presume that patents are meaningless to our Jezza Will this pharmaceutical company also be investing millions and millions of pounds and years and years of research into developing new drugs - from scratch, on a 4 days week?
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.14am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, but if we 'no deal' they are fecked. They trade most with us but stuck all their eggs in the EU basket. It will be interesting to see what happens on that score. They are f***ed if they ever have to pay back the loans they have been given.
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| Midlands Eagle 25 Sep 19 11.22am |
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Originally posted by becky
Will this pharmaceutical company also be investing millions and millions of pounds and years and years of research into developing new drugs - from scratch, on a 4 days week? Quite co-incidentally I had a prescription review with my GP's pharmacist last night and she told me that pharma companies take out a patent when the potential product is little more than an idea and it can then take 20 years to develop it to a level where it is saleable which means that they only have five years in which to recover their costs until the patent expires.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 25 Sep 19 11.23am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Nationalisation of many of the utilities I like the way that if any pharmaceutical company wants too much for their medicines a Labour Government will manufacture a generic copy with Corbyn Pharmaceuticals Ltd I presume that patents are meaningless to our Jezza This is already a standard procedure in Brazil, Argentina and India, where prohibitive pricings on essential medication can be subverted through an international law known as Crown Use. Essentially the patent owner is compensated, but at a much lower rate than the profit they would be making. And don't forget that around 80% of the research that Big Pharma relies on come from state bodies. Corbyn has said he would threaten not to hand over that research if they don't comply. Although I'm sceptical as to how we can stop them, I also know what impact in can have on a family when they have to start paying for life-saving medicine. Big Pharma are some of the most amoral, money-driven murderous b@stards around and it's about time they were held to account.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 11.28am |
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Originally posted by sickboy
They are f***ed if they ever have to pay back the loans they have been given. 'Oh Danny boy....the creditors the creditors are calling'
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 25 Sep 19 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
4 day working week......? Seriously? How on earth do they get enough tax from that? How are firms going to be competitive on a 4 day week? Public pharmaceutical company......I see some sense in this. Abolishing private schools......mixed feelings....strong arguments on both sides. This is one of the biggest pieces of legislation brought before parliament in a generation, so it's worth reading up on. It's not simply about transitioning to a new energy source: it's a comprehensive plan to preserve local wildlife, incentivise companies to use recycled materials, prohibit the degradation of our food, and break up the financial interest groups that rely on oil money and dominate our economy. Here's some extra info. [Link]
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 11.37am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This is one of the biggest pieces of legislation brought before parliament in a generation, so it's worth reading up on. It's not simply about transitioning to a new energy source: it's a comprehensive plan to preserve local wildlife, incentivise companies to use recycled materials, prohibit the degradation of our food, and break up the financial interest groups that rely on oil money and dominate our economy. Here's some extra info. [Link] The last bit sounds like a plan to make us a lot poorer. Oil makes the world economy work.....attacking that isn't sensible.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Oh Danny boy....the creditors the creditors are calling' Straight to the ferry and back over here.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 11.39am |
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Originally posted by sickboy
Straight to the ferry and back over here.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 25 Sep 19 11.47am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The last bit sounds like a plan to make us a lot poorer. Oil makes the world economy work.....attacking that isn't sensible. Oil is also running out, costing more to drill from the ground every year, has destroyed our oceans, is controlled by some of the worst despots in the world (from Venezuela to Saudi Arabia) and is causing some of the worst flooding, droughts and temperatures we have seen in 10 thousand years.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Sep 19 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Quite co-incidentally I had a prescription review with my GP's pharmacist last night and she told me that pharma companies take out a patent when the potential product is little more than an idea and it can then take 20 years to develop it to a level where it is saleable which means that they only have five years in which to recover their costs until the patent expires.
That is one of the reasons why several of the big pharma' companies merged.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Oil is also running out, costing more to drill from the ground every year, has destroyed our oceans, is controlled by some of the worst despots in the world (from Venezuela to Saudi Arabia) and is causing some of the worst flooding, droughts and temperatures we have seen in 10 thousand years. Sure it's running out....in about fifty years. Yeah, lots of countries don't hold anything like western values, that's for them. As for your climate claims....Mmmmm..I recognise climate change but I don't accept your narrative....Al Gore said cities would be under water by 2006....the same kind of hyperbole and inaccurate emotionalism still abounds. I support a gradual shift to nuclear....much safer technologies in nuclear are coming online and its much cheaper. I don't support putting the middle and working classes energy bills up to pay for 'green' technologies that are far less effective and more expensive. Compare France's energy bills where they are mostly nuclear to Germany's 'green' bills. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 12.01pm)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 25 Sep 19 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure it's running out....in about fifty years. Yeah, lots of countries don't hold anything like western values, that's for them. As for your climate claims....Mmmmm..I recognise climate change but I don't accept your narrative....Al Gore said cities would be under water by 2006....the same kind of hyperbole and inaccurate emotionalism still abounds. I support a gradual shift to nuclear....much safer technologies in nuclear are coming online and its much cheaper. I don't support putting the middle and working classes energy bills up to pay for 'green' technologies that are far less effective and more expensive. Compare France's energy bills where they are mostly nuclear to Germany's 'green' bills. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 12.01pm) Our new nuclear site in Hinckley is being built by French and Chinese companies for their own profit, will see a negligible rise in output, is already 3 billion over budget (paid for by us taxpayers of course) and EDF have had multiple safety warnings issued against them. Improving solar cells, harnessing tidal energy and investing in hydrogen fuel would produce enough energy to meet our requirements, without the threat of nuclear catastrophe. Oh, and the Green New Deal has been drawn up by economists, who have factored in energy tax credits for poorer families as part of the gradual transition phase.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 19 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Oil is also running out, costing more to drill from the ground every year, has destroyed our oceans, is controlled by some of the worst despots in the world (from Venezuela to Saudi Arabia) and is causing some of the worst flooding, droughts and temperatures we have seen in 10 thousand years. Think of all the wars that have been fought over it, will be glad to see the back of it.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Our new nuclear site in Hinckley is being built by French and Chinese companies for their own profit, will see a negligible rise in output, is already 3 billion over budget (paid for by us taxpayers of course) and EDF have had multiple safety warnings issued against them. The argument against modern nuclear isn't valid, the arguments on its implementation.....well we might have some agreement on that. That's neo liberals for you. Originally posted by serial thriller
Improving solar cells, harnessing tidal energy and investing in hydrogen fuel would produce enough energy to meet our requirements, without the threat of nuclear catastrophe. Oh, and the Green New Deal has been drawn up by economists, who have factored in energy tax credits for poorer families as part of the gradual transition phase. With 'green' energy you are talking 'jam tomorrow' on efficiency and It's not true that it meets our requirements and as for costs....again Germany is an example that already exists...compare its energy bills to France's. Oh and you can find economists to stand for pretty much any stance....like you can find some engineers who will say that fire didn't bring down WTC1 & 2....just as you can find lawyers who will argue for whatever stance there is.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 19 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Think of all the wars that have been fought over it, will be glad to see the back of it. If you are referring to Iraq. The US hasn't profited from Iraqi oil. If that's what you are saying then you believed in lies.
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| W12 25 Sep 19 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The US hasn't profited from Iraqi oil. If that's what you are saying then you believed in lies. Agreed and this is not well known. The Iraq war was never about oil anyway. The neocons and the Blarites naively thought that Islamic countries would want some form democracy so they could spread market stability through the region (although Blair probably wanted something more akin to Marxism) but that's just not the possible. They misunderstood the region entirely. I think we can all agree it was a complete disaster. We should have been building nuclear power stations for years but the green lobby has been successful in hamstringing the country. Energy self sufficiency is a matter of national security as Trump well understands. Green energy is just not fit for purpose and won't be for the foreseeable however much money we poor into it. Then there is the fact that the current "climate emergency" is utter bulls***.
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