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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 19 9.45am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Of course they are representatives. Edmund Burke said so 250 years ago which makes it valid.

I hear that after he made his speech he sent his sword away to be sharpened as all MPs needed to carry a sharp sword

Someone always had to be the first to identify a principle which has subsequently become the cornerstone of the British system. Many luminary Parliamentarians have since confirmed the concept, including Winston Churchill and I don't believe any have argued against it.

That there is a disconnect between what the general population believe is the duty of their MP and what the system actually is, is also true and has become more obvious since the referendum with apparently a majority believing they should always do what their constituents tell them to do, especially among the Brexiteers. More education needed? Or a change to the system?

 

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View beagle's Profile beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 23 Sep 19 9.48am Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Very concerning news that they've now announced that it will be their policy to take all the assets of private schools and redistribute them across the state sector.

Once they start grabbing stakes of private business in one sector, where will it stop?

Private healthcare and private hospitals?

 


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Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Dianne abbot has made me laugh this weekend.
She started of with a statement about the Tories insulting people's intelligence!
Then had to agree to a labour policy of closing private schools down whilst her own child goes to a private school.
You couldn't make it up !

Of course she voted for it. The school wouldn't close but all of us would pay the fees through taxation and she would be better off.

I am surprised it isn't already Tory policy. All they need do is maintain a suitably strict admissions policy.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Sep 19 9.51am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

When I listen to JC I begin to understand his point of view.

Anything could happen this week to Johnson, brexit, the government, all is up in the air.

So it is sensible not to make a rash commitment that can be quickly be unhinged by events.

Difficult, but if he had led the 48% remain they would be in the ascendancy now.

That's a lot of votes, enough to get election victory, the labour leave is simply not enough to make any impression in an election.

You must oppose that is the opposition function.

Wilson would have had this in the bag by now, Jonson and his cronies are beyond ridiculous.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Sep 19 9.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Do we support private fire brigades or private armies?

This essentially comes down to what we think is best served via communal effort and what we understand is best served via private ownership.

Private schools are elitist.....I see the benefit of them but it's essentially a benefit for a few.

I see some weaknesses within my own position as well.....I mean if we ban private schools we surrender a plank of meritocracy where the supposed best minds are housed and educated together (when in reality it's more often the richest)....the idea being that we have the best in the most important positions.

But...errrr.

Look at what the products from these schools and later universities have been doing to this country over the last fifty years.

So f**k them.

Come swim in the pool you created.


Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2019 9.58am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Sep 19 10.04am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

The whipping system is merely a convention used by Political parties. Individual MPs decide for themselves whether to accept, or reject, the whip. The consequences of rejection possibly being the lack of advancement within their party. Whipping enables government policy to be moved along, whether or not the MP's actually believe it wise.

My own view is that every MP should cast a secret vote on every division. This would make the whipping system redundant and ensure that no government could force through policies that it's MPs disagreed with and no opposition could stop it's MPs voting against something they approved of.

This would mean that the arguments won and not always the policies of the puppet masters, whether they be from the left or right.

This would help to restore honesty and integrity. Can anyone see a reason not to do this?

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 Sep 19 10.10am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Come swim in the pool you created.


Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2019 9.58am)


Works for me.

Ideally, I would like to see the entire education system privatised with parents issued vouchers which schools could compete for but I accept that my position on this is a minority one.

And therefore if people prefer the state to be responsible for the provision of education then there needs to be a total equality in that. One system, one curriculum and an onus on our politicians to have a stake in it.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Sep 19 10.16am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

When I listen to JC I begin to understand his point of view.

Anything could happen this week to Johnson, brexit, the government, all is up in the air.

So it is sensible not to make a rash commitment that can be quickly be unhinged by events.

Difficult, but if he had led the 48% remain they would be in the ascendancy now.

That's a lot of votes, enough to get election victory, the labour leave is simply not enough to make any impression in an election.

You must oppose that is the opposition function.

Wilson would have had this in the bag by now, Jonson and his cronies are beyond ridiculous.

You shouldn't just oppose for the sake of opposing. Corbyn is clearly pretty ambivalent about Brexit, thus reflecting the wider population who are split nearly down the middle on it, and probably a majority of individual voters, who care more about other issues and just want to see it resolved.

He's trying to go for nuance and the media are immediately characterizing it as too confusing for people, which really says a lot about their opinion of the general population. But maybe this calls for nuance - not just eye catching slogans like 'no deal' or 'ignore the referendum'.

 


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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 23 Sep 19 10.18am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Although I didn't vote for them at the last election, I have voted for them before.

I'm sure that Corbyn is a decent man but he is a born backbencher, someone to make sure his party sticks to what they are supposed to be doing.

Yes, he should step down but unfortunately I don't really know the others well enough to know who should replace him.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Sep 19 10.31am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The whole argument is just pure disingenerous nonsense.

If MPs were pure representatives and not delegates then you wouldn't have a whipping office. Yet all parties operate one.

Far nearer to reality is that they are both.

My take is that with referendum results is that MPs should be operating as delegates for that specific result. So if your constituency voted remain instead of leave and vice versea then on specific votes on that question you should be representing that vote.

I'm being politically naive of course but that's my take anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2019 6.01am)

You could be arguing this with Wisbech, who moved out of Wisbech, when you’re waiting for your boiled dinner in old age, along with waiting for us to leave the EU.

 


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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 23 Sep 19 10.40am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

All those posh lovey dovies at festival
Time singing "ohhh Jeremy corbin" who now wants to shut down their posh schools, couldn't make it up lol

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 23 Sep 19 10.46am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

All those posh lovey dovies at festival
Time singing "ohhh Jeremy corbin" who now wants to shut down their posh schools, couldn't make it up lol

1. The policy was voted for by those 'posh dovies'. That's how a democratic party works.

2. If you're going to have a go at someone, at least spell their name right.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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