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 HKOwen  Hong Kong 17 Jan 22 11.11pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The 'chattering classes' vote Labour no matter what, and tend to do so in seats where Labour piles up huge majorities. But those are not the battleground that Labour needs to win if it stands a chance. The lower the socio-economic status of a person, the more they object to paying the BBC licence fee. It is an issue that will matter in the very seats Labour needs to win back if it is to stand a chance. Which is the point of the policy. If Labour have any real intention of forming the next Government then they have to mirror the Tories pledge on the BBC. Question is will their membership allow them to do so? If Labour continues to support the licence fee model, then they are creating a genuine own-goal for the Tories to hammer home, time and time again. Along with offering the Tories the chance to proclaim the BBC are biased against them based on this policy. "The lower the socio-economic status of a person, the more they object to paying the BBC licence fee." Where does this come from? Quite an extraordinary statement
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batcountry  Melbourne 18 Jan 22 4.35am |
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Who will be the first to whine about how adverts have spoilt the bbc.
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Originally posted by batcountry
Who will be the first to whine about how adverts have spoilt the bbc. Probably those that currently like it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jan 22 8.00am |
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Originally posted by batcountry
Who will be the first to whine about how adverts have spoilt the bbc. The BBC has plenty of adverts now for their own shows The point is that the BBC would be free to do what it liked if they want adverts then they have to take the flack that comes with it. It is a great opportunity for the BBC to actually become even more popular, Netflix is shown in 160 countries the BBC could do the same with the right model. They have a choice fight to the bitter end to maintain the status quo when viewing figures for terrestrial TV (not just the BBC) are declining or seize the opportunity to embrace change. With viewers declining and non payment increasing sooner or later the License fee will go maybe not this time but it is coming. So will the BBC go the way of the London dockers or will they embrace change as the Dutch dockers did and become the hub for Europe. Edited by Badger11 (18 Jan 2022 8.07am)
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However if it is a subscription service they wouldn't need them I don't get them on Amazon Prime.| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The BBC has plenty of adverts now for their own shows The point is that the BBC would be free to do what it liked if they want adverts then they have to take the flack that comes with it. It is a great opportunity for the BBC to actually become even more popular, Netflix is shown in 160 countries the BBC could do the same with the right model. They have a choice fight to the bitter end to maintain the status quo when viewing figures for terrestrial TV (not just the BBC) are declining or seize the opportunity to embrace change. With viewers declining and non payment increasing sooner or later the License fee will go maybe not this time but it is coming. So will the BBC go the way of the London dockers or will they embrace change as the Dutch dockers did and become the hub for Europe. Edited by Badger11 (18 Jan 2022 8.07am) This viewpoint, which I understand is not unusual and widespread here, completely misses the point of the BBC. It's not just another broadcaster competing in a crowded market for ever more difficult to sustain viewing figures, or ratings. Such broadcasters need to find their niche, and they need to chase popularity to sustain their commercial viability. The BBC is our public service broadcaster, free of government and commercial influences and free to tell us the truth. It's not there to just amuse us. It's there to give us what they believe we need. Now criticism of what they believe that to be is fair enough, and finding ways to ensure all voices are heard in the debate which determines how they reach their conclusions and ensure all viewpoints are fairly represented on air, is important. It doesn't though mean we ought to dumb down the BBC by reducing it to being just another broadcaster. The BBC is very much more though than simply being our public service broadcaster. Remember its motto, "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation". It's the window the rest of the world has into the UK. It's also the most trusted broadcaster in the world. It's probably our greatest asset, which with the post-Brexit era about to become a harsh reality ought not be lightly abandoned. We need the BBC more today than ever. It's hardly surprising that it's unpopular amongst some at home. The uneducated who just want to be entertained, the young, who don't watch TV and the elderly who now must pay a licence fee, all have their reasons. Just as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and most of us don't want higher taxation, it's easy to see why. Our MPs though must do their duty. They must avoid the temptation to go "populist" again and do what the people want, just so they stand a better chance of being re-elected. They need to deliver what the country needs. Which is a BBC not chasing ratings but maintaining its proud and hard won status around at home, and even more importantly, the world. Getting rid of Johnson and his cabal would be a good start to achieving that.
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| YT Oxford 18 Jan 22 9.48am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This viewpoint, which I understand is not unusual and widespread here, completely misses the point of the BBC. It's not just another broadcaster competing in a crowded market for ever more difficult to sustain viewing figures, or ratings. Such broadcasters need to find their niche, and they need to chase popularity to sustain their commercial viability. The BBC is our public service broadcaster, free of government and commercial influences and free to tell us the truth. It's not there to just amuse us. It's there to give us what they believe we need. Now criticism of what they believe that to be is fair enough, and finding ways to ensure all voices are heard in the debate which determines how they reach their conclusions and ensure all viewpoints are fairly represented on air, is important. It doesn't though mean we ought to dumb down the BBC by reducing it to being just another broadcaster. The BBC is very much more though than simply being our public service broadcaster. Remember its motto, "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation". It's the window the rest of the world has into the UK. It's also the most trusted broadcaster in the world. It's probably our greatest asset, which with the post-Brexit era about to become a harsh reality ought not be lightly abandoned. We need the BBC more today than ever. It's hardly surprising that it's unpopular amongst some at home. The uneducated who just want to be entertained, the young, who don't watch TV and the elderly who now must pay a licence fee, all have their reasons. Just as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and most of us don't want higher taxation, it's easy to see why. Our MPs though must do their duty. They must avoid the temptation to go "populist" again and do what the people want, just so they stand a better chance of being re-elected. They need to deliver what the country needs. Which is a BBC not chasing ratings but maintaining its proud and hard won status around at home, and even more importantly, the world. Getting rid of Johnson and his cabal would be a good start to achieving that. Public service broadcaster? Have you ever watched:
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| Helmet46 Croydon 18 Jan 22 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This viewpoint, which I understand is not unusual and widespread here, completely misses the point of the BBC. It's not just another broadcaster competing in a crowded market for ever more difficult to sustain viewing figures, or ratings. Such broadcasters need to find their niche, and they need to chase popularity to sustain their commercial viability. The BBC is our public service broadcaster, free of government and commercial influences and free to tell us the truth. It's not there to just amuse us. It's there to give us what they believe we need. Now criticism of what they believe that to be is fair enough, and finding ways to ensure all voices are heard in the debate which determines how they reach their conclusions and ensure all viewpoints are fairly represented on air, is important. It doesn't though mean we ought to dumb down the BBC by reducing it to being just another broadcaster. The BBC is very much more though than simply being our public service broadcaster. Remember its motto, "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation". It's the window the rest of the world has into the UK. It's also the most trusted broadcaster in the world. It's probably our greatest asset, which with the post-Brexit era about to become a harsh reality ought not be lightly abandoned. We need the BBC more today than ever. It's hardly surprising that it's unpopular amongst some at home. The uneducated who just want to be entertained, the young, who don't watch TV and the elderly who now must pay a licence fee, all have their reasons. Just as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and most of us don't want higher taxation, it's easy to see why. Our MPs though must do their duty. They must avoid the temptation to go "populist" again and do what the people want, just so they stand a better chance of being re-elected. They need to deliver what the country needs. Which is a BBC not chasing ratings but maintaining its proud and hard won status around at home, and even more importantly, the world. Getting rid of Johnson and his cabal would be a good start to achieving that. Wouldn’t getting rid of Johnson be classed as populist? (I don’t disagree that the blokes an utter, utter t***, however). If I could watch cricket, F1 etc on BBC - as I used to be able to I’d agree. But I can’t as it can’t compete so what’s left, as I consider them bias and won’t watch the news it delivers. The trouble is the world has moved on and successive Govts feel remiss to me for not allowing the BBC to move with it.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Jan 22 11.45am |
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Originally posted by YT
Public service broadcaster? Have you ever watched: No point arguing with a closed mind that is always right, just ignore
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Jan 22 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This viewpoint, which I understand is not unusual and widespread here, completely misses the point of the BBC. It's not just another broadcaster competing in a crowded market for ever more difficult to sustain viewing figures, or ratings. Such broadcasters need to find their niche, and they need to chase popularity to sustain their commercial viability. The BBC is our public service broadcaster, free of government and commercial influences and free to tell us the truth. It's not there to just amuse us. It's there to give us what they believe we need. Now criticism of what they believe that to be is fair enough, and finding ways to ensure all voices are heard in the debate which determines how they reach their conclusions and ensure all viewpoints are fairly represented on air, is important. It doesn't though mean we ought to dumb down the BBC by reducing it to being just another broadcaster. The BBC is very much more though than simply being our public service broadcaster. Remember its motto, "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation". It's the window the rest of the world has into the UK. It's also the most trusted broadcaster in the world. It's probably our greatest asset, which with the post-Brexit era about to become a harsh reality ought not be lightly abandoned. We need the BBC more today than ever. It's hardly surprising that it's unpopular amongst some at home. The uneducated who just want to be entertained, the young, who don't watch TV and the elderly who now must pay a licence fee, all have their reasons. Just as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and most of us don't want higher taxation, it's easy to see why. Our MPs though must do their duty. They must avoid the temptation to go "populist" again and do what the people want, just so they stand a better chance of being re-elected. They need to deliver what the country needs. Which is a BBC not chasing ratings but maintaining its proud and hard won status around at home, and even more importantly, the world. Getting rid of Johnson and his cabal would be a good start to achieving that. Licence fee or tax, make your mind up
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jan 22 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This viewpoint, which I understand is not unusual and widespread here, completely misses the point of the BBC. It's not just another broadcaster competing in a crowded market for ever more difficult to sustain viewing figures, or ratings. Such broadcasters need to find their niche, and they need to chase popularity to sustain their commercial viability. The BBC is our public service broadcaster, free of government and commercial influences and free to tell us the truth. It's not there to just amuse us. It's there to give us what they believe we need. Now criticism of what they believe that to be is fair enough, and finding ways to ensure all voices are heard in the debate which determines how they reach their conclusions and ensure all viewpoints are fairly represented on air, is important. It doesn't though mean we ought to dumb down the BBC by reducing it to being just another broadcaster. The BBC is very much more though than simply being our public service broadcaster. Remember its motto, "Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation". It's the window the rest of the world has into the UK. It's also the most trusted broadcaster in the world. It's probably our greatest asset, which with the post-Brexit era about to become a harsh reality ought not be lightly abandoned. We need the BBC more today than ever. It's hardly surprising that it's unpopular amongst some at home. The uneducated who just want to be entertained, the young, who don't watch TV and the elderly who now must pay a licence fee, all have their reasons. Just as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and most of us don't want higher taxation, it's easy to see why. Our MPs though must do their duty. They must avoid the temptation to go "populist" again and do what the people want, just so they stand a better chance of being re-elected. They need to deliver what the country needs. Which is a BBC not chasing ratings but maintaining its proud and hard won status around at home, and even more importantly, the world. Getting rid of Johnson and his cabal would be a good start to achieving that. Scrapping the licence fee will be a matter for Parliament. You complain that MPs must be allowed to vote on important matters (so oppose referendums) and then complain if they vote a way you don't like. Edited by Badger11 (18 Jan 2022 1.33pm)
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jan 22 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by batcountry
Who will be the first to whine about how adverts have spoilt the bbc. But they do have adverts? There news website is plastered with them (Certainly over here) as are there TV programmes over here as well.
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Teddy Eagle  18 Jan 22 4.59pm |
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cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jan 22 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Doris Dorries is already in retreat. Far from getting rid of the beeb, who put Johnson into office along with other totally biased media against Corbyn, they will now consider how the beeb will be funded (yawn). Big deal. They won't actually, be biting the establishment hand that feeds them. The 2 year licence fee pause is all you need to know. It was a shot across the bow. The BBC know its possible so either change their snidey,left wing bias against hmg or it will happen. If the tories win in 2024 they will s*** a brick as 2027 is when the help ends.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by YT
Public service broadcaster? Have you ever watched: It has always produced a diverse output. It has to. You cannot fill all the hours with highbrow, educational or documentary programming. They need to attract the audience and have them stay there for the more challenging stuff. Add to that the cuts to their budget which have forced them to produce some low cost rubbish, and there's your answer. Having said that I quite like Mrs Brown's Boys. It doesn't take itself seriously and is just irreverent fun, with a dollop or two of home spun wisdom.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Wouldn’t getting rid of Johnson be classed as populist? (I don’t disagree that the blokes an utter, utter t***, however). If I could watch cricket, F1 etc on BBC - as I used to be able to I’d agree. But I can’t as it can’t compete so what’s left, as I consider them bias and won’t watch the news it delivers. The trouble is the world has moved on and successive Govts feel remiss to me for not allowing the BBC to move with it.
Getting rid of Johnson wouldn't be populist. Populism is a government giving the people what they want, rather than what they need. We need Johnson gone. I think all the national teams, of all the national sports, like cricket, football and rugby, ought to be on the BBC. If we help fund their development we should be able to watch them play. Allowing commercial companies to take over has been a mistake, in my opinion. An awful lot of people with strong political views, both of the left and the right, think the BBC is biased against their viewpoint. I think that says much more about those with strong views than it does about the BBC who, from my own observations, do a scrupulously fair and balanced job.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Licence fee or tax, make your mind up It's already both. I would increase and ring-fence them to stop any government playing the kind of political games we are now witnessing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Thee BBC has been the creator of its own demise. No it hasn't! You just feel like that because your politics are on the other side. Go talk to any believer in hard-left politics and you will find they too believe the BBC is biased. Against them! Wanting them defunded is popular. The danger is that our populist government may decide to do it, knowing full well that it will harm us. So be careful what you wish for.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Scrapping the licence fee will be a matter for Parliament. You complain that MPs must be allowed to vote on important matters (so oppose referendums) and then complain if they vote a way you don't like. Edited by Badger11 (18 Jan 2022 1.33pm) I realise that. The problem is we have a populist government with their backs to the wall. I don't trust them at all and think they are more than capable of doing stupid things just to keep themselves in power. Just look at the way Johnson treated the Tory dissenters over Brexit. Imagine what he might do with any BBC licence fee defenders who dared to threaten to vote against him. Or what local Parties might do when they have to select again. The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.
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