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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Nov 20 8.39am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I have some sympathy for the government how do you set rules that cover the scenarios they are concerned about.

We've all seen the pictures of many drunken people arm in arm staggering around the high street or hundreds at illegal raves or even wedding parties.

It must be difficult to set rules that people can follow and inevitably the bloke quietly sitting in the pub socially distancing finds he can no longer do that.

Alcohol is a contributor to people not socially distancing. My own preference would be for a curfew say 6pm after which pubs and restaurants would have to close. This would allow people to have a sensible eat and drink but not get blathered.

Can only speak for my local, which doesn’t serve food beyond snacks. They put screens up, took out half the tables, have one-way access, only allow one person at a time in the gents, have masked table service, hand sanitiser in four or five places, enforce mask wearing when not seated, etc but still can’t open. I don’t see how a meal would improve the situation.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 20 8.56am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Can only speak for my local, which doesn’t serve food beyond snacks. They put screens up, took out half the tables, have one-way access, only allow one person at a time in the gents, have masked table service, hand sanitiser in four or five places, enforce mask wearing when not seated, etc but still can’t open. I don’t see how a meal would improve the situation.

My intention is to contact my MP with a view to attaining an explanation.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Nov 20 8.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Can only speak for my local, which doesn’t serve food beyond snacks. They put screens up, took out half the tables, have one-way access, only allow one person at a time in the gents, have masked table service, hand sanitiser in four or five places, enforce mask wearing when not seated, etc but still can’t open. I don’t see how a meal would improve the situation.

Exactly but how do you legislate those good practices with the idiot who runs Party Central.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Nov 20 9.01am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I have some sympathy for the government how do you set rules that cover the scenarios they are concerned about.

We've all seen the pictures of many drunken people arm in arm staggering around the high street or hundreds at illegal raves or even wedding parties.

It must be difficult to set rules that people can follow and inevitably the bloke quietly sitting in the pub socially distancing finds he can no longer do that.

Alcohol is a contributor to people not socially distancing. My own preference would be for a curfew say 6pm after which pubs and restaurants would have to close. This would allow people to have a sensible eat and drink but not get blathered.

Unviable for restaurants and makes no difference in a restaurant. 10pm curfew was half killing them.

Pubs that are no different to restaurants should be allowed to open after a council visit to confirm they’ve set up to operate under this nonsense.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Nov 20 9.04am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

There is no justification of the destruction of small businesses.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 20 9.14am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Unviable for restaurants and makes no difference in a restaurant. 10pm curfew was half killing them.

Pubs that are no different to restaurants should be allowed to open after a council visit to confirm they’ve set up to operate under this nonsense.

I will be demanding an explanation for the rationale behind the regulation that alcohol can only be served with a substantial meal.

Are the Government AKA "The science" afraid of bars in town centres which just serve alcohol being overwhelmed by temulent youths who have a total disregard for the rules ? Bars of course which have spent considerable money and effort in making themselves Covid-secure and introducing table service at socially distanced tables ?
If so, the Government should 'Come clean' and provide a darned explanation.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Nov 20 9.16am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I will be demanding an explanation for the rationale behind the regulation that alcohol can only be served with a substantial meal.

Are the Government AKA "The science" afraid of bars in town centres which just serve alcohol being overwhelmed by temulent youths who have a total disregard for the rules ? Bars of course which have spent considerable money and effort in making themselves Covid-secure and introducing table service at socially distanced tables ?
If so, the Government should 'Come clean' and provide a darned explanation.

You tell em mate.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Nov 20 9.25am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Unviable for restaurants and makes no difference in a restaurant. 10pm curfew was half killing them.

Pubs that are no different to restaurants should be allowed to open after a council visit to confirm they’ve set up to operate under this nonsense.

Very generously, the Government have decided 'Last orders' by 10PM but closing at 11PM.
One can only be served alcohol with a substantial meal -In terms of Public Houses in my vicinity, some of their kitchens shut at 8.30PM and this might be the case with a great number of such establishments around the country.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 27 Nov 20 9.54am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

The only interpretation that can be taken of this latest government science led shambles is that there is zero confidence in the public generally to behave in a rationale manner. So, even though it’s youngsters in the majority that run riot and have raves, illegal parties and dance in the street after closing simply because they can, the rest of us are punished because the virus is spreading in all age groups.

Anyone thought that the kids mixing in schools and the young adults partying perhaps bring it home and spread to parents who then inadvertently spread to grandparents etc etc.

You can be as safe as possible by following all the guidance, not doing this and not doing that and putting up without a pint but have no control over those who spread it asymptomatically.

This is why the closure of pubs without meals and all of the other bull associated with it is such nonsense. If you want to have a real impact close down all schools and colleges for December keep the kids apart and everyone go about their social distancing and sensible use of the hospitality industry before it collapses entirely.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Nov 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The only interpretation that can be taken of this latest government science led shambles is that there is zero confidence in the public generally to behave in a rationale manner. So, even though it’s youngsters in the majority that run riot and have raves, illegal parties and dance in the street after closing simply because they can, the rest of us are punished because the virus is spreading in all age groups.

Anyone thought that the kids mixing in schools and the young adults partying perhaps bring it home and spread to parents who then inadvertently spread to grandparents etc etc.

You can be as safe as possible by following all the guidance, not doing this and not doing that and putting up without a pint but have no control over those who spread it asymptomatically.

This is why the closure of pubs without meals and all of the other bull associated with it is such nonsense. If you want to have a real impact close down all schools and colleges for December keep the kids apart and everyone go about their social distancing and sensible use of the hospitality industry before it collapses entirely.

Zero confidence in our or some behaviour is the right answer, and why would they. Look in any english town for blue lights on any given night prior to covid and you've hit it on the head.
It has been too close for me this last week tbh.
Mrs cryrst takes so many safety measures and she still got it. It will spread,it will kill and it will stop non covid medical issues being treated.
Although I beleive atm a lot are getting treatment that is needed.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Nov 20 11.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A major criticism of SAGE and governmental policy on this virus from a major figure.

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Mike Yeadon’s latest

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Read it all but down some way and,

‘1) The definition of Covid deaths is too broad. Currently any death with an incidental positive Covid test within prior 28 days is counted as Covid. However, even deaths from the misdiagnosis of respiratory failure will result in Covid being put as the primary cause. There is no post mortem evidence that these are Covid deaths. There is no equivalent rise in death certificates with mentions of pneumonia as was seen in the spring. Accident and Emergency attendances for acute respiratory infections are currently 300 per day lower than average.’

The last couple of sentences there. Oh my God. Problem is it can’t really be called out yet because we’re not far enough into the seaside yet, or they’ll say it could just be a low season for these illnesses.

‘ 3) Excess deaths are not all Covid deaths. Pandemics can cause excess deaths. Lockdowns can also cause excess deaths and we saw excess deaths from many causes in Spring. There appears to have been no attempt to analyse these deaths or factor them into current decision-making processes. Normal interactions with the health service have still not resumed and excess deaths in the 15-44 year-old age group have climbed steadily throughout the year. These are nearly all non-Covid deaths.’

Just look at the 15-44 excess deaths graph.

‘ 5) The only confirmatory testing carried out has shown no Covid. Army testing in Liverpool uses a different and more reliable test – the ‘Lateral Flow Test’ (LFT). It has demonstrated that there is minimal Covid in the Liverpool community, the alleged hotspot. The numbers testing positive are barely above the false positive rate reported for the LFT meaning there were no real Covid cases found. In other words, the Army results confirm the fact that at least 90% of the PCR were false positives and the government is panicking on the basis of a massively exaggerated and unreliable statistic.’

Not at all surprised. It’s what the government and parrot media don’t mention when they claim the ludicrous notion that testing cured Covid in Liverpool.

‘6) Weak criteria used to declare a positive will result in false positives. Testing in May, by Imperial College showed that only half of the positive results from commercial laboratories were true positives and they questioned the criteria these laboratories were using to define a positive.’

If that is true then Jesus Christ.


 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Nov 20 11.32am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is no justification of the destruction of small businesses.

There is no justification in spreading a killer virus by allowing non-essential activities.

Protecting businesses, and the people who depend upon them, is another issue which has to be managed by the government and the cost borne by us all.

 


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