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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jan 22 10.27am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle There is a rumour that David Tennant will be returning to replace Jodie Whittaker. It’s been previously observed that for someone who can go anywhere in time and space the Doctor spends a lot of time in current day London. If he does come back I think that says a lot about his current career, it's a backward step and I doubt even he can rescue it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 24 Jan 22 10.27am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

There is a rumour that David Tennant will be returning to replace Jodie Whittaker.
It’s been previously observed that for someone who can go anywhere in time and space the Doctor spends a lot of time in current day London.

If he does come back I think that says a lot about his current career, it's a backward step and I doubt even he can rescue it.

One more point

The Dolphin 24 Jan 22 10.42am
Wisbech - we all want the BBC to be that shining light - but sadly you cannot polish a turd! It is no longer fit for purpose but get them to turn that ship around and I would be very happy to keep on paying my license fee. As for the NHS - the idea is great but the reality is a typical bloated Government run department which is in the most terrible state and only massive changes with some private help can save it. You only have to spend some time in or visiting hospitals now to know that it is broken and so are the Doctors and Nurses - all betrayed by successive Governments who continually boast about the money they are throwing at it knowing that most of it is just going to be wasted. Bed reduction is the worst of the lot and weirdly - whilst Mr Blair boasted about what he was doing for the NHS he cut more beds than anyone during his and Gordon Brown's tenure. Don't get me wrong - they are all bad but they were the worst.

The Dolphin

24 Jan 22 10.42am

Wisbech - we all want the BBC to be that shining light - but sadly you cannot polish a turd!
It is no longer fit for purpose but get them to turn that ship around and I would be very happy to keep on paying my license fee.
As for the NHS - the idea is great but the reality is a typical bloated Government run department which is in the most terrible state and only massive changes with some private help can save it.
You only have to spend some time in or visiting hospitals now to know that it is broken and so are the Doctors and Nurses - all betrayed by successive Governments who continually boast about the money they are throwing at it knowing that most of it is just going to be wasted.
Bed reduction is the worst of the lot and weirdly - whilst Mr Blair boasted about what he was doing for the NHS he cut more beds than anyone during his and Gordon Brown's tenure.
Don't get me wrong - they are all bad but they were the worst.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jan 22 12.17pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Doctor Who slumps to new low. According to the media the New Year episode only brought in 3.4m viewers for the BBC's flag ship show in a prime time slot. There has been plenty of media speculation as to who will replace Jodie with various candidates suggested from the alphabet soup. Apparently they are now considering putting the show on hiatus for a few years which i think would be the sensible call. The ratings have plummeted since David Tennant the show should have been canned after Matt Smith but for some reason the BBC hates to cancel shows and sees it as some kind of betrayal. Appointing a women was a desperate attempt at reviving the rating and it did for a few episodes before the decline continued. It is an expensive show to make so it has to have good ratings if they have any sense they will rest it. Personally after a gap I would re-launch it from the start with an origins story about the Doctor on Galifry and how he came to start his adventures. I would also ditch the rainbow alliance it's a kids show they just want monsters. There is a simple reason why it is failing. It has become a vehicle for woke, LGBTQ, feminist propaganda. The stories are almost a side issue. Russel T Davies loved putting gay stuff in at every opportunity, but it did not overshadow the show. Torchwood was full of gay scenes but still entertaining. The Jodie Whittaker version of Who is just a disaster on every level. When you make shows that obsess about minorities, why would you expect the majority to watch? It is simply dumb. The quality of the stories gave it no chance.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Jan 22 12.17pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Doctor Who slumps to new low.

According to the media the New Year episode only brought in 3.4m viewers for the BBC's flag ship show in a prime time slot.

There has been plenty of media speculation as to who will replace Jodie with various candidates suggested from the alphabet soup.

Apparently they are now considering putting the show on hiatus for a few years which i think would be the sensible call.

The ratings have plummeted since David Tennant the show should have been canned after Matt Smith but for some reason the BBC hates to cancel shows and sees it as some kind of betrayal.

Appointing a women was a desperate attempt at reviving the rating and it did for a few episodes before the decline continued.

It is an expensive show to make so it has to have good ratings if they have any sense they will rest it.

Personally after a gap I would re-launch it from the start with an origins story about the Doctor on Galifry and how he came to start his adventures. I would also ditch the rainbow alliance it's a kids show they just want monsters.

There is a simple reason why it is failing. It has become a vehicle for woke, LGBTQ, feminist propaganda. The stories are almost a side issue.
Russel T Davies loved putting gay stuff in at every opportunity, but it did not overshadow the show. Torchwood was full of gay scenes but still entertaining. The Jodie Whittaker version of Who is just a disaster on every level.

When you make shows that obsess about minorities, why would you expect the majority to watch? It is simply dumb. The quality of the stories gave it no chance.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jan 22 12.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Strange, isn't it? I don't watch Dr Who and never have. The little bits I have stumbled over I find ridiculous. This for me is not something the BBC ought to be doing at all. It's not it's mandate. So far as I can tell it's just expensive escapism which could be left to those chasing ratings and revenue. A bit like moving to Cornwall. Escapism is a large part of Television. In fact, it is one of the things that improves the quality of people's lives, especially when most people have dull, uninspiring ones. We all pay for programs on all channels through advertising, so the BBC doing escapism is no different. The BBC needs to exercise its imagination on something different because it's normally focussed on avoiding the truth.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Jan 22 12.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Strange, isn't it? I don't watch Dr Who and never have. The little bits I have stumbled over I find ridiculous.

This for me is not something the BBC ought to be doing at all. It's not it's mandate. So far as I can tell it's just expensive escapism which could be left to those chasing ratings and revenue.

A bit like moving to Cornwall.

Escapism is a large part of Television. In fact, it is one of the things that improves the quality of people's lives, especially when most people have dull, uninspiring ones.

We all pay for programs on all channels through advertising, so the BBC doing escapism is no different. The BBC needs to exercise its imagination on something different because it's normally focussed on avoiding the truth.

The Dolphin 24 Jan 22 12.33pm
Question of Sport is a good example of how to ruin a programme. I suspect it had a decent audience - niche probably - who loved the banter and enjoyed Sue Barker being in charge. Then the BBC make it a Show that I gather is not very much about sport and often with lots of people who are nothing to do with sport - hmmm - let me think! I honestly don't know what the current viewing figures are but I doubt that they match the old ones. The BBC don't really like a load of successful Sportsmen and Women being on show - it doesn't suit their ridiculous agendas. More of my fee being used on stuff I will never watch.

The Dolphin

24 Jan 22 12.33pm

Question of Sport is a good example of how to ruin a programme.
I suspect it had a decent audience - niche probably - who loved the banter and enjoyed Sue Barker being in charge.
Then the BBC make it a Show that I gather is not very much about sport and often with lots of people who are nothing to do with sport - hmmm - let me think!
I honestly don't know what the current viewing figures are but I doubt that they match the old ones.
The BBC don't really like a load of successful Sportsmen and Women being on show - it doesn't suit their ridiculous agendas.
More of my fee being used on stuff I will never watch.

Teddy Eagle 24 Jan 22 12.44pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle ITV certainly is, as it depends on commercial interests. Channel 4 less so as it is publicly owned but also derives its revenue from commercial interests, so potentially less than the BBC. Not according to Ofcom. Their report says 54% agree BBC news is impartial which is lower than the figure for ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News.

Teddy Eagle

24 Jan 22 12.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

ITV certainly is, as it depends on commercial interests. Channel 4 less so as it is publicly owned but also derives its revenue from commercial interests, so potentially less than the BBC.

Not according to Ofcom. Their report says 54% agree BBC news is impartial which is lower than the figure for ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News.

Teddy Eagle 24 Jan 22 12.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Strange, isn't it? I don't watch Dr Who and never have. The little bits I have stumbled over I find ridiculous. This for me is not something the BBC ought to be doing at all. It's not it's mandate. So far as I can tell it's just expensive escapism which could be left to those chasing ratings and revenue. Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day?

Teddy Eagle

24 Jan 22 12.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Strange, isn't it? I don't watch Dr Who and never have. The little bits I have stumbled over I find ridiculous.

This for me is not something the BBC ought to be doing at all. It's not it's mandate. So far as I can tell it's just expensive escapism which could be left to those chasing ratings and revenue.

Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day?

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jan 22 2.42pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Question of Sport is a good example of how to ruin a programme. I suspect it had a decent audience - niche probably - who loved the banter and enjoyed Sue Barker being in charge. Then the BBC make it a Show that I gather is not very much about sport and often with lots of people who are nothing to do with sport - hmmm - let me think! I honestly don't know what the current viewing figures are but I doubt that they match the old ones. The BBC don't really like a load of successful Sportsmen and Women being on show - it doesn't suit their ridiculous agendas. More of my fee being used on stuff I will never watch. ....so Willy Carson & Bill Beaumont are no longer on it? Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jan 22 2.42pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

....so Willy Carson & Bill Beaumont are no longer on it?

Pro USA & Israel

The Dolphin 24 Jan 22 2.59pm
Ha Ha - nor Emlyn Hughes, Ian Botham and the like

The Dolphin

24 Jan 22 2.59pm

Ha Ha - nor Emlyn Hughes, Ian Botham and the like

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.04pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Yeah it's so good you have to force people to pay for it with the threat of a criminal record if they don't. Admired by who? The luvvies in other countries certainly as the BBC is a money pit for them of course they would like their own version. The World service seems to be admired but that is paid for by the government not he licence fee. Edited by Badger11 (24 Jan 2022 10.25am) Whether the BBC output is good, or bad, is a personal opinion. The responsibility to hold a licence to view ANY live TV is placed on all of us, irrespective of that opinion. It's our contribution to the funding of our national broadcaster in a way which ensures it remains independent of government. The BBC is admired by many, and not just by avaricious "luvvies"! It's the independence of government and truthfulness which builds the trust that so many have for the BBC. The world service is indeed admired, but it's a mistake to suppose it's a separate, standalone service. There is these days only one newsroom. Journalists work for both the domestic service, and the world service. Only about 25% of its cost is funded by the government. The other 75% by the licence fee. They keep that quiet though, as it wouldn't be popular! Take a look at this.I found it interesting:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.04pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Yeah it's so good you have to force people to pay for it with the threat of a criminal record if they don't.

Admired by who? The luvvies in other countries certainly as the BBC is a money pit for them of course they would like their own version.

The World service seems to be admired but that is paid for by the government not he licence fee.

Edited by Badger11 (24 Jan 2022 10.25am)

Whether the BBC output is good, or bad, is a personal opinion. The responsibility to hold a licence to view ANY live TV is placed on all of us, irrespective of that opinion. It's our contribution to the funding of our national broadcaster in a way which ensures it remains independent of government.

The BBC is admired by many, and not just by avaricious "luvvies"! It's the independence of government and truthfulness which builds the trust that so many have for the BBC.

The world service is indeed admired, but it's a mistake to suppose it's a separate, standalone service. There is these days only one newsroom. Journalists work for both the domestic service, and the world service. Only about 25% of its cost is funded by the government. The other 75% by the licence fee. They keep that quiet though, as it wouldn't be popular!

Take a look at this.I found it interesting:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.15pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day? I have no idea. It's not what I think they should be doing. That's for the commercial broadcasters. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.15pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day?

I have no idea. It's not what I think they should be doing. That's for the commercial broadcasters.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.38pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Wisbech - we all want the BBC to be that shining light - but sadly you cannot polish a turd! It is no longer fit for purpose but get them to turn that ship around and I would be very happy to keep on paying my license fee. As for the NHS - the idea is great but the reality is a typical bloated Government run department which is in the most terrible state and only massive changes with some private help can save it. You only have to spend some time in or visiting hospitals now to know that it is broken and so are the Doctors and Nurses - all betrayed by successive Governments who continually boast about the money they are throwing at it knowing that most of it is just going to be wasted. Bed reduction is the worst of the lot and weirdly - whilst Mr Blair boasted about what he was doing for the NHS he cut more beds than anyone during his and Gordon Brown's tenure. Don't get me wrong - they are all bad but they were the worst. As my wife works on the front line in our local hospital I get first-hand reports. The NHS isn't broken at all. It's under considerable stress at the moment, and under some stress all the time. Much of that is not its fault. It's much more to do with the lack of social care provision, and that's the result of decades of under-investment. This results in many hospital beds being occupied by people fit for discharge but without a safe place to discharge them to. Reducing the number of beds has much more to do with improvements in treatments and the consequential massive reduction in the average recovery time before discharge than any desire to just cut the numbers. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.38pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

As my wife works on the front line in our local hospital I get first-hand reports. The NHS isn't broken at all. It's under considerable stress at the moment, and under some stress all the time. Much of that is not its fault. It's much more to do with the lack of social care provision, and that's the result of decades of under-investment. This results in many hospital beds being occupied by people fit for discharge but without a safe place to discharge them to.

Reducing the number of beds has much more to do with improvements in treatments and the consequential massive reduction in the average recovery time before discharge than any desire to just cut the numbers.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jan 22 9.50pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day? How's Ali & Pete Beale doing? Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jan 22 9.50pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Chasing ratings? Why else is Eastenders shown on Christmas Day?

How's Ali & Pete Beale doing?

Pro USA & Israel

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A bit like moving to Cornwall. Escapism is a large part of Television. In fact, it is one of the things that improves the quality of people's lives, especially when most people have dull, uninspiring ones. We all pay for programs on all channels through advertising, so the BBC doing escapism is no different. The BBC needs to exercise its imagination on something different because it's normally focussed on avoiding the truth. I didn't "escape" to Cornwall. I had long planned to retire here, having enjoyed many happy visits here. I had lived all over the UK, and in the Philippines, but Cornwall was always going to be my preferred final home. There is no advertising on the BBC in the UK. Which is the vital difference between itself and other broadcasters. Being free of both direct government influence and the need to protect advertising revenue by going easy on those who spend money means they can always tell the objective truth, as they perceive it. Which they are bound by their Charter to do. So the idea that they are "focussed on avoiding the truth" could not be more wrong. Precisely the reverse is true. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jan 22 9.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A bit like moving to Cornwall.

Escapism is a large part of Television. In fact, it is one of the things that improves the quality of people's lives, especially when most people have dull, uninspiring ones.

I didn't "escape" to Cornwall. I had long planned to retire here, having enjoyed many happy visits here. I had lived all over the UK, and in the Philippines, but Cornwall was always going to be my preferred final home.

There is no advertising on the BBC in the UK. Which is the vital difference between itself and other broadcasters. Being free of both direct government influence and the need to protect advertising revenue by going easy on those who spend money means they can always tell the objective truth, as they perceive it.

Which they are bound by their Charter to do.

So the idea that they are "focussed on avoiding the truth" could not be more wrong. Precisely the reverse is true.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 25 Jan 22 4.30am
How someone can highlight that the NHS is under 'considerable stress' and then also advocate for sacking tens of thousands of staff is just mind blowing. One doesn't match the other. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Jan 22 4.30am

How someone can highlight that the NHS is under 'considerable stress' and then also advocate for sacking tens of thousands of staff is just mind blowing.

One doesn't match the other.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The Dolphin 25 Jan 22 5.52am
Wisbech - the NHS is not suffering from underfunding and hasn't done for years - it is how those funds are used that is the issue. If it were run on a more more business like footing then the care would improve and the wastage would start to disappear. I also know a few on the frontline and they believe that while it is a great "institution" it is also a busted flush that needs help urgently

The Dolphin

25 Jan 22 5.52am

Wisbech - the NHS is not suffering from underfunding and hasn't done for years - it is how those funds are used that is the issue.
If it were run on a more more business like footing then the care would improve and the wastage would start to disappear.
I also know a few on the frontline and they believe that while it is a great "institution" it is also a busted flush that needs help urgently

The Dolphin 25 Jan 22 5.54am
Sorry - we are way off topic here - my fault - this is about the BBC which I don't admire - not the NHS which deep down I do admire!

The Dolphin

25 Jan 22 5.54am

Sorry - we are way off topic here - my fault - this is about the BBC which I don't admire - not the NHS which deep down I do admire!

cryrst The garden of England 25 Jan 22 6.11am
It isn't off topic as when any change for the nhs is put to the table; who are the first to bleat about how wrong it is. The BBC.

cryrst

The garden of England 25 Jan 22 6.11am

It isn't off topic as when any change for the nhs is put to the table; who are the first to bleat about how wrong it is. The BBC.

Stirlingsays 25 Jan 22 6.26am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Wisbech - the NHS is not suffering from underfunding and hasn't done for years - it is how those funds are used that is the issue. If it were run on a more more business like footing then the care would improve and the wastage would start to disappear. I also know a few on the frontline and they believe that while it is a great "institution" it is also a busted flush that needs help urgently I think there's a lot of truth to the reality that spending nearly 40 percent of the taxpayer pie should be more than enough. Though I don't know that the NHS really corresponds well to running a business.....but in some areas it probably does and I think prior reforms tried to implement that. It's an argument that's decades old now.....the right's concern over the ever widening expense of health provision and the left's continual pushing for its expansion.....the left and its media have turned the NHS into some kind of sacred cow, which makes any rational discussion on it difficult. At the very least I think fresh eyes need to look again at the sustainability of the system. Something that's inevitable anyway given the coming economics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2022 6.28am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Jan 22 6.26am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I think there's a lot of truth to the reality that spending nearly 40 percent of the taxpayer pie should be more than enough.

Though I don't know that the NHS really corresponds well to running a business.....but in some areas it probably does and I think prior reforms tried to implement that.

It's an argument that's decades old now.....the right's concern over the ever widening expense of health provision and the left's continual pushing for its expansion.....the left and its media have turned the NHS into some kind of sacred cow, which makes any rational discussion on it difficult.

At the very least I think fresh eyes need to look again at the sustainability of the system. Something that's inevitable anyway given the coming economics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jan 2022 6.28am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 25 Jan 22 8.18am
Originally posted by Jimenez How's Ali & Pete Beale doing? Both Bwown Bwead. Ali caught a whelk shell behind the ear and Pete Beale had a bad eel for his last meal.

Teddy Eagle

25 Jan 22 8.18am

Originally posted by Jimenez

How's Ali & Pete Beale doing?

Both Bwown Bwead. Ali caught a whelk shell behind the ear and Pete Beale had a bad eel for his last meal.

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