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rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 27 Jan 23 1.25pm

Thanks Syd, clear and concise for those of us who didn't know.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Jan 23 2.02pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I'm not clear why people say this, because they make it sound like Textor somehow benevolently rode in on a white horse and donated £90 million to the listing charity that is CPFC.

He didn't "donate" any money to the club. He simply bought £90 million pounds worth of shares at their market value, and the club's board decided it would use the sum he invested to buy players. What Textor did was nothing more and nothing less than execute an investment or trade. He spent some money in order to buy a percentage shareholding in the club.

Why, thus, would anyone give credit to an investor for doing what investors do?

Wow, what a mealy mouthed response. I said that we would have been in the sh1t if Textor hadn't come along and injected £90m into the club and the reason that I said it was because it was true.

The word "donate" was neither used nor implied by me

 

sydtheeagle Flag England 27 Jan 23 3.24pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Wow, what a mealy mouthed response. I said that we would have been in the sh1t if Textor hadn't come along and injected £90m into the club and the reason that I said it was because it was true.

The word "donate" was neither used nor implied by me

You are right about "donate" so apologies if it appeared that I attributed it to you.

Nevertheless, to claim that "we would be in the s***" were it not for Textor is nothing more than leaping to conclusions. You don't know that. Nor do I. Certainly, his money was useful and allowed us to acquire players. Also true is that Harris and Blitzer are billionaires who were disinclined to use their own money for that purpose.

Nevertheless, had an investor in the form of Textor or anyone else not appeared, you don't know (and none of us will ever know) if Harris and Blitzer would not have reached into their own pockets to fund those deals. Likely, they would have. It seems reasonable to assume that a billionaire investor has a plan B at all times. Plan A was to find external investment (which, in Textor, they found so their plan was successful). Had Plan A failed, Plan B was highly likely to fund the club themselves. It's not like they couldn't have afforded to do so, and it's also not like they were going to let their multi-million pound investment in Palace go to the wall.

By the way, though you said "injected" rather than "donated" I still don't like the word because it implies Textor benevolently gave the club a shot in the arm. Just like you and I when we buy a shirt in the club shop (and, in the process, give a cash injection to the club) he handed over money to buy something; in this case shares. Personally, I don't see my season ticket or club shirt purchase as a cash injection for Palace; I see it as a purchase for me. I don't think we should be cheering Textor for doing what every investor does.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 27 Jan 23 4.47pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Again, Neillo, we're generally on the same page. The one fly in the appointment that is a little worrying is the emergence of the SPAC stories which, if that is the road Textor is going down with Eagle Football, doesn't prove that his long-term intentions are worrying but does suggest we ought to be more alert than we have been to date because there's lots of evidence that SPACS tend to be the preferred vehicles of get rich quick merchants who don't much care about their underlying investments but, rather, are after a quick profit. That makes me a little more cautious about giving Textor the benefit of the doubt than I have been up to this point.

For those who aren't versed in financial instruments and WITHOUT wanting to be condescending, it's probably worth spelling out what a SPAC is, because it's a term you might be hearing more often in the future in reference to Palace. So...

SPAC is an acronym for Special Purpose Acquisition Company. Broadly, it works like this:

Traditionally, when a private company wants to raise funds (usually to support expansion, such as buying more or better players if the company is a football club) it goes public which means becoming a listed company on the stock market, via a share sale. The money it raises by selling its shares is then invested back into the business freeing up cash to support expanded operations. In theory, this investment is attractive to investors because it increases the value of the business, thus increasing how much the shares are worth.

The company goes public through a lengthy and difficult process known as an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This involves things like exposing its books to scrutiny, etc. and generally lifting the kimono so prospective investors can fully understand what they're buying into. The IPO process costs the company money, takes time, and does not always result in success. You could be rejected for a variety of reasons before the listing even takes place. So what if you could find a way to go public, but avoid an IPO? That's where SPACs come in.

SPACs (sometimes known as "blank cheque companies" are essentially listed shell companies formed only to create a vehicle that can then subsequently merge with a private company enabling the private (target) company to go public without a traditional IPO or direct listing. As such, the private company can be taken into public ownership without any of the IPO processes noted in the preceding paragraph, and therefore it can go public quickly and cheaply compared to an IPO, getting its hands on the money it wants with extremely limited due diligence.

The issue with SPACS is thus that the knowledge available to investors at the time of investment is very, very limited (for the reasons above - there's been minimal due diligence prior to the listing, making SPACs an easy vehicle for canny or even unscrupulous investors to exploit and abuse. IPO investors know all about the company in which they have invested, whereas SPAC investors have almost no knowledge of the company they are going to invest in; they are more or less investing only in the founders’ ability (in this case, the founder is John Textor) to find a profitable acquisition (in this case, the football clubs he buys via Eagle Football group).

As Neillo has said before, and I've agreed with him, on balance I'm inclined to cautiously support Textor's interest in Palace based on what we've known about him to date. But I have to say the SPAC stories do make me a little more wary about his intentions. It would be wrong to say that "all SPACS are bad and the fact that Textor appears to be interested in going down that road guarantees doom for Palace". But it would also be foolhardy not to take note, and be aware that his approach does hold the possibility of blowing up in our faces.

Great post Syd.

Really helped to clear my head on this subject. Although being nervous and negative due to a hit I took on a Bill Foley SPAC, you are absolutely on the money.

Here's hoping wherever Textor is heading works for the Palace.

 

Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 27 Jan 23 6.02pm

Strong posting from Syd here.

 


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theorist 28 Jan 23 3.31pm

The 75M to EagleFootball from Iconic for the Lyon acquisition and the consequent SPAC attachment

US SEC Statement of acquisition of beneficial ownership filed by Iconic in re Lyon/EF: [Link]

Item 4. Purpose of Transaction.

Item 4 of the Original Schedule 13D is hereby amended to include the following at the end thereof:

On December 19, 2022, Eagle Football Holdings Limited (“Eagle Football”), a London-based group with interests in English Premier League club, Crystal Palace, Brazilian Serie A club, Botafogo, and Belgian First Division B club, RWD Molenbeek, acquired a significant controlling stake in French Ligue 1 club, Olympique Lyonnais. In connection with such acquisition, an affiliate of the Reporting Person made a strategic $75 million equity investment in Eagle Football and entered into agreements with various parties including Eagle Football. Such agreements provide that the Issuer may enter into a business combination with Eagle Football for a valuation of approximately $1.2 billion. The Issuer is not a party to any of these agreements. There is no assurance that an agreement with respect to such transaction will be entered into, and even if entered into, that a transaction contemplated thereby would be consummated. Any such transaction would be subject to, among other things, (i) additional financing on acceptable terms; (ii) the approval of the board of the Issuer; (iii) the separate approval of the Issuer’s shareholders; (iv) the ability to satisfy the requirements of the SEC for the offering of securities and the solicitation of votes; (v) any regulatory approvals; and (vi) the satisfaction of continued stock exchange listing requirements.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 28 Jan 23 4.20pm

Originally posted by theorist


Item 4 of the Original Schedule 13D is hereby amended to include the following at the end thereof:


On December 19, 2022, Eagle Football Holdings Limited (“Eagle Football”), a London-based group blah, blah, blah

I'm not sure what the relevance of any of that statement is but I was interested to note that the registered office is Steve Parish's Soho office

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Jan 23 3.53pm

Textor is currently getting a mauling on Twitter from Botafogo fans over the loaning of their player Jeffinho to Lyon...

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 30 Jan 23 4.18pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Textor is currently getting a mauling on Twitter from Botafogo fans over the loaning of their player Jeffinho to Lyon...

It will go where it will go, but I’m not convinced of the benefits of multi club ownership. Although it may work from a business perspective, football is way too emotional for it ever to run smooth. Why should Botafogo give a toss about Lyon or us?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 30 Jan 23 5.25pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

It will go where it will go, but I’m not convinced of the benefits of multi club ownership. Although it may work from a business perspective, football is way too emotional for it ever to run smooth. Why should Botafogo give a toss about Lyon or us?

Exactly. If your club is top of the pyramid you might do well out of it but as Botafogo fans are starting to wonder is there job to feed his other clubs.

 


One more point

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 30 Jan 23 5.57pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly. If your club is top of the pyramid you might do well out of it but as Botafogo fans are starting to wonder is there job to feed his other clubs.


And if Lyon get into Europe (unlikely thsi year - but next?) where does that leave us?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 30 Jan 23 6.02pm

Originally posted by doombear


And if Lyon get into Europe (unlikely thsi year - but next?) where does that leave us?

I think it's clear we are behind Lyon.

 


One more point

southnorwoodhill Flag 30 Jan 23 6.12pm

I find it absurd that should any promising youngster come through the CPFC Academy then there is a possibility that he could be loaned to one of Textor's other clubs, rather than be given the opportunity at the club that brought him through.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (30 Jan 2023 7.25pm)

 

becky Flag over the moon 30 Jan 23 6.43pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I find it absurd that if should any promising youngster come through the CPFC Academy then there is a possibility that he could be loaned to one of Textor's other clubs, rather than be given the opportunity at the club that brought him through.

How to sort that?


Freedman v Textor

Sainsbury's Car Park

Tickets £15 or £12.50 in advance

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Jan 23 8.45pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I find it absurd that should any promising youngster come through the CPFC Academy then there is a possibility that he could be loaned to one of Textor's other clubs, rather than be given the opportunity at the club that brought him through.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (30 Jan 2023 7.25pm)

It would be ridiculous for a Premier League side to be a feeder side to anyone. Knowing Palace fans - we're not going to just put up and shut up if it does happen. Even Olise going for anything less than about 40 mil would not be acceptable. If they want to buy players we want to sell, for a decent price, fair enough. The other thing is we really could have done with Jeffinho as he plays in Wilf's position.

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 31 Jan 23 8.45am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

It would be ridiculous for a Premier League side to be a feeder side to anyone.

PL sides are feeder clubs to everyone, and that's no bad thing. A tiny minority of players from any academy end up in the PL, but if you don't develop them then you deprive them of their careers, if not at your club then elsewhere in the game. Thus, PL academies really exist to prepare youngsters for careers in football and that's a valuable thing. It doesn't have to be at the PL club, though it's great when it is.

We are already a feeder club. We have Philips and Street at Shrewsbury. Gordon at Carlisle. Ebiowei at Hull. Rak Sakyi at Charlton. Plange at Lincoln. O'Brien off somewhere today. At best, one of those may have a career at Palace but all will likely have a career of some sort in football as a result our developing them. Who cares if they're scattered around the lower divisions or playing for one of Textor's clubs; it's the same difference.

PL clubs are a selfish, self-interested group motivated by very little other than money. Developing young players in world-class academies is one of the very few things PL clubs do that actually benefits the game itself. Anyone who thinks developing young players isn't worthwhile unless it directly helps the parent club all of the time is very myopic indeed.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jan 23 12.27pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

PL sides are feeder clubs to everyone, and that's no bad thing. A tiny minority of players from any academy end up in the PL, but if you don't develop them then you deprive them of their careers, if not at your club then elsewhere in the game. Thus, PL academies really exist to prepare youngsters for careers in football and that's a valuable thing. It doesn't have to be at the PL club, though it's great when it is.

We are already a feeder club. We have Philips and Street at Shrewsbury. Gordon at Carlisle. Ebiowei at Hull. Rak Sakyi at Charlton. Plange at Lincoln. O'Brien off somewhere today. At best, one of those may have a career at Palace but all will likely have a career of some sort in football as a result our developing them. Who cares if they're scattered around the lower divisions or playing for one of Textor's clubs; it's the same difference.

PL clubs are a selfish, self-interested group motivated by very little other than money. Developing young players in world-class academies is one of the very few things PL clubs do that actually benefits the game itself. Anyone who thinks developing young players isn't worthwhile unless it directly helps the parent club all of the time is very myopic indeed.

Fair enough, you're not wrong. However, it's a completely different situation than being told to give your players to Lyon because they're above you in the pecking order. Wastage of players deemed not up to it or not required is natural - if a little cruel and unfortunate sometimes.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jan 23 1.05pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

PL sides are feeder clubs to everyone, and that's no bad thing. A tiny minority of players from any academy end up in the PL, but if you don't develop them then you deprive them of their careers, if not at your club then elsewhere in the game. Thus, PL academies really exist to prepare youngsters for careers in football and that's a valuable thing. It doesn't have to be at the PL club, though it's great when it is.

We are already a feeder club. We have Philips and Street at Shrewsbury. Gordon at Carlisle. Ebiowei at Hull. Rak Sakyi at Charlton. Plange at Lincoln. O'Brien off somewhere today. At best, one of those may have a career at Palace but all will likely have a career of some sort in football as a result our developing them. Who cares if they're scattered around the lower divisions or playing for one of Textor's clubs; it's the same difference.

PL clubs are a selfish, self-interested group motivated by very little other than money. Developing young players in world-class academies is one of the very few things PL clubs do that actually benefits the game itself. Anyone who thinks developing young players isn't worthwhile unless it directly helps the parent club all of the time is very myopic indeed.

I get what you're saying Syd, but my definition of a feeder club is one in which a club is selling on their top talent. Not the fringe players that may well not make it at Palace.

 


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PatrickA Flag London 09 Feb 23 9.53am

In breaking news the Telegraph has just announced the formation of a new Super League, bringing back what was supposedly never to happen.
The huge investment from American owners and oil rich states means this is an area that won't go away.
I only mention it because we have in the main American owners and it will be illuminating to see which way they jump.
Somehow I doubt they'll be putting too much into Palace.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 09 Feb 23 12.38pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

In breaking news the Telegraph has just announced the formation of a new Super League, bringing back what was supposedly never to happen.
The huge investment from American owners and oil rich states means this is an area that won't go away.
I only mention it because we have in the main American owners and it will be illuminating to see which way they jump.
Somehow I doubt they'll be putting too much into Palace.


Don't think it's gone that far has it? The one I've seen (see link below) speaks of it being a proposal at this stage.

[Link]

 

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