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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) I think you have a point, but there is an issue beyond the norm of rehabilition here, we're talking about someone who was a prolific and unrepentant offender, over decades with a dozen plus victims (it would seem). Whilst I don't hold with the idea that punishment for its own sake is justified, it has to serve a rehabilitive process, we're not talking about someone who is a low risk offender. Had these crimes been committed recently, and come to life, he'd be looking at a life sentence as a serial sexual predatory offender considered to be a permanent and persistant threat to society (possibly even a whole life tariff). It'll probably cost 40-60k a year to keep him in prison, but thats money well spent. Him, Hall, Savile etc aren't just dirty old men. They are dedicated, persistant sex offenders, who abused children over a period of decades.
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am)
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Quote Superfly at 02 Jul 2014 10.04am
Disagree - that's precisely how it works. Initial estimates are that his painting have dropped by 90% in value. And when was the last time you heard a Gary Glitter record played?
Still, the reality is that art is art and how people respond to it differs. Berry's music is still played......The BBC have art by a pedophile right outside their entrance....If I remember correctly. Glitter's music is played around the world.....The man doesn't have to work.....I think he made £130,000 thanks to his music being played during the NBA finals. Initial estimates by who? They aren't worth anything. Hitler's paintings weren't put in the bin you know.....And he wasn't that good. If I remember correctly one of his went for nearly a hundred grand a few years back.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 02 Jul 14 10.38am |
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Fair enough (didn't know that about Glitters NBA pay out - and have to say I'm quite shocked) but as it was used in the punishment context, I can't see his paintings being any kind of asset until long after he's dead. The 90% figure is from a Radio Times piece from yesterday. But the link keeps on crashing my web browsers so I'll refrain from posting it.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jul 14 11.04am |
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Quote Superfly at 02 Jul 2014 10.38am
Fair enough (didn't know that about Glitters NBA pay out - and have to say I'm quite shocked) but as it was used in the punishment context, I can't see his paintings being any kind of asset until long after he's dead. The 90% figure is from a Radio Times piece from yesterday. But the link keeps on crashing my web browsers so I'll refrain from posting it.
Still, economics and morality rarely meet.
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Farawayeagle  Sydney 02 Jul 14 11.07am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Jul 2014 10.11am
Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) I think you have a point, but there is an issue beyond the norm of rehabilition here, we're talking about someone who was a prolific and unrepentant offender, over decades with a dozen plus victims (it would seem). Whilst I don't hold with the idea that punishment for its own sake is justified, it has to serve a rehabilitive process, we're not talking about someone who is a low risk offender. Had these crimes been committed recently, and come to life, he'd be looking at a life sentence as a serial sexual predatory offender considered to be a permanent and persistant threat to society (possibly even a whole life tariff). It'll probably cost 40-60k a year to keep him in prison, but thats money well spent. Him, Hall, Savile etc aren't just dirty old men. They are dedicated, persistant sex offenders, who abused children over a period of decades.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 11.18am |
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 11.07am
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Quote Farawayeagle at 02 Jul 2014 8.57am
At his age I really don't see the point in prison. An Open prison -- which it seems possible he would get --- or at most a Category C prison would cost the taxpayers around 160 to 200 thousand pounds over 8 years. It would be better to fine him a few million and donate it to a sexual abuse organisation. As for those saying where is the punishment? I think losing your whole life achievement and all the official accolades you have had. Being disowned by your hometown and country and becoming a social pariah wherever you go -- and having the music and art you created ignored -- would be more than enough punishment. Edited by Farawayeagle (02 Jul 2014 9.00am) I think you have a point, but there is an issue beyond the norm of rehabilition here, we're talking about someone who was a prolific and unrepentant offender, over decades with a dozen plus victims (it would seem). Whilst I don't hold with the idea that punishment for its own sake is justified, it has to serve a rehabilitive process, we're not talking about someone who is a low risk offender. Had these crimes been committed recently, and come to life, he'd be looking at a life sentence as a serial sexual predatory offender considered to be a permanent and persistant threat to society (possibly even a whole life tariff). It'll probably cost 40-60k a year to keep him in prison, but thats money well spent. Him, Hall, Savile etc aren't just dirty old men. They are dedicated, persistant sex offenders, who abused children over a period of decades.
Isn't that what tax is for though, the things you generally wouldn't want to pay for. I'm happy to pay to keep paedophiles and other threats to the public in prison. I'm a bit dubious about the money spent on say Trident or the Olympics. But prison services are something we should be spending more on. The offences are such that just levying a fine (and giving it to charity) wouldn't really serve as an example of justice being done to those victims. Plus criminals rarely if ever pay fines (as they're in prison, theres not really much you can do to levy on them).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Jul 14 11.26am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 02 Jul 2014 10.24am
Quote Superfly at 02 Jul 2014 10.04am
Disagree - that's precisely how it works. Initial estimates are that his painting have dropped by 90% in value. And when was the last time you heard a Gary Glitter record played?
Still, the reality is that art is art and how people respond to it differs. Berry's music is still played......The BBC have art by a pedophile right outside their entrance....If I remember correctly. Glitter's music is played around the world.....The man doesn't have to work.....I think he made £130,000 thanks to his music being played during the NBA finals. Initial estimates by who? They aren't worth anything. Hitler's paintings weren't put in the bin you know.....And he wasn't that good. If I remember correctly one of his went for nearly a hundred grand a few years back. There is a very healthy market in 'black art'. The price of 'Jim'll Fix it' badges, has risen dramatically in the last few years. Whilst the art value of Rolf's works will drop in the short term, chances are that there are people who collect objects of interest related to notorious criminals: esp when the individual has died, and the stigma about profiting from such objects diminishes. The face value may have decreased, unique, one of objects such as a painting by a celebrity criminal will hold its value very well, especially in certain markets. You woulnd't have got a fiver for a hitler painting in 1945, now, they go for a hundred grand, and he couldn't paint. The art world isn't exactly strangers to people who were deviants, perverts and weirdos.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 02 Jul 14 11.31am |
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Prison. * Punishment, and to some extent retribution from the victim(s) , and society.
Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2014 11.32am)
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| Stirlingsays 02 Jul 14 11.39am |
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 02 Jul 2014 11.31am
Prison. * Punishment, and to some extent retribution from the victim(s) , and society.
Edited by Forest Hillbilly (02 Jul 2014 11.32am)
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black eagle.  south croydon. 02 Jul 14 11.46am |
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i met Rolf Harris as a kid doing work experience at a radio station,still a bit shocked by all this,never in a million years did he come across as a paedo. i hate to think what he and Saville got up to when they were at large together at Broadmoor in 1973. still Harris will have to go through public humiliation in prison of everyone trying to have a pop at him something that Saville got away with it. i hope he suffers in prison before he dies,again something Saville never had to endure.
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