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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Can we win something before our LGTBQIAcentenary?

EFA for 2022....

 


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Originally posted by doombear


At the risk of being a pedant, I'd suggest the 1861 version of the football club created by Crystal Palace Cricket club was probably an amateur outfit. I may, of course, be wrong.

There was an amateur team before that, the grounds staff. The boss of the Palace saw how many people were watching and thought he could make a few bob. He then made a pro team of the best players from the groundsman and CHARGED local well to do to play!!!! Far cry from today!

We seemed to be top dog of the London league. There were two sets of rules around then. Sheffield and London. We had the casting vote as to which would be adopted. Sheffield had similar goals to aussie rules, and points. They continued that league until 1875 when they switch to London rules.

The FA cup which we suggested was also played under London rules, and the finals were played at the Palace as well.

An amazing history and fascinating read.

 

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Originally posted by monkey

Letís be honest, who really cares?? As far as Iím concerned palace didnít exist before 1975

Badge manufacturers do.

 


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Originally posted by The groover

There was an amateur team before that, the grounds staff. The boss of the Palace saw how many people were watching and thought he could make a few bob. He then made a pro team of the best players from the groundsman and CHARGED local well to do to play!!!! Far cry from today!

We seemed to be top dog of the London league. There were two sets of rules around then. Sheffield and London. We had the casting vote as to which would be adopted. Sheffield had similar goals to aussie rules, and points. They continued that league until 1875 when they switch to London rules.

The FA cup which we suggested was also played under London rules, and the finals were played at the Palace as well.

An amazing history and fascinating read.


Thanks Groover for the history lesson (really - not sarcastically)

 

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Weíve gone from 117 years without a major trophy to 161 years in 24 hours!!

 

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Originally posted by soapbox

Weíve gone from 117 years without a major trophy to 161 years in 24 hours!!

I actually always dispute the fact that we havenít won a major trophy. That division 1 trophy that Gareth Southgate held aloft for us in 1994, was exactly the same division 1 trophy that the top flight teams used to win before the premier league started.

 

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Originally posted by monkey

I actually always dispute the fact that we havenít won a major trophy. That division 1 trophy that Gareth Southgate held aloft for us in 1994, was exactly the same division 1 trophy that the top flight teams used to win before the premier league started.

At the end of the 'farewell to the Holmesdale terrace' match v Watford, which we duly lost 0-2.

 


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This article may be an interesting supplement to the information provided on this thread already...

[Link]

Obviously it's from the perspective of a Fulham fan (our apparent rival for the title of oldest professional London club) but it contains a good summary of the case against the cpfc claim, as put forward by historians Mark Metcalf and Clive Nicholson.

I've no idea how eminent (or objective) Messrs Metcalf and Nicholson are, but they have certainly done a more thorough job looking into the age of the club than I expect our marketing team to have done:

[Link]

Personally, I couldn't give a s*** either way about the clubs true age, but I don't like the arbitrary nature of the clubs pronouncement. We reckon we're the oldest club, Fulham reckon (London-wise at least) it's them, Notts County have thier own ideas.. . It'll end up like boxing, with three or four blokes simultaneously claiming to be world champion. Self publicity over objective truth.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

but I don't like the arbitrary nature of the clubs pronouncement. Self publicity over objective truth.

Personally, I totally agree with you. The club we are was established in 1905 and that's the long and short of it. Yes, you can go further back through history (on any number of subjects) and find somewhat tenuous links to a back story but, (as is the case with 1861) it becomes a matter of how you want to interpret the tenuous links because they're not clear-cut, indisputable facts. The best you can say is that "on the balance of the evidence, we can make a reasonable claim to 1861" but for me, that's not enough to change to an accepted fact. It's more a case of reasonably well-justified revisionist history and to be honest, I don't really see why we need to change the accepted facts of the matter. 1861 or 1905? Who gives a toss, other than a random historian who wants to establish the credibility of his research and a company that sees a marketing opportunity. We were founded in 1905 and have links to an earlier organisation that dates back to 1861 is probably the most accurate summation.

 


Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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1861

nice

 


7 points from Manchester last season

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How's it tenuous... Both 19th century and 20th century called crystal palace played in area, both linked the The (Sydenham) palace.

It's dismissing history for convention.

 

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You would think that there would be some kind of official ombudsman / representative committee that could review evidence & make a definitive ruling rather than each club presenting their own case via the media.

 

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