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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Jul 22 7.40pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Why not we nicked, barcas colours, benficas nickname, we even started out in villa's kit, might aswell nick another clubs D.O.B, shame there's no decent stadiums close by we could claim squatters rights in.

if spurs got the Olympic stadium we were getting a new one. Probably fake news but somewhere I’m sure I read it.

 

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View Bearcage's Profile Bearcage Flag Welling 20 Jul 22 8.34pm Send a Private Message to Bearcage Add Bearcage as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

if spurs got the Olympic stadium we were getting a new one. Probably fake news but somewhere I’m sure I read it.

Yes, as part of spurs taking the Olympic stadium they proposed a new athletic stadium at Crystal Palace, as part of the development CPFC would’ve moved there into a new football stadium too.

Instead they gave the stadium to West Ham and we subsidise them

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 08 Jun 23 7.07pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

This Sunday (June 11), explore the significant spots in Penge and Anerley that tell the story of the first Crystal Palace Football Club on a walking tour. Discover the fascinating lives of the local pioneering footballers that helped establish the modern game. Book your place: [Link]

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 25 Jul 23 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

I've got a facsimile of the infamous 1906 CPFC handbook. You will see for yourself the multiple times it refers to the club's first season. It does not say anything about an amateur club.

Manning says: "When the professional club published its first handbook in 1906, having joined Division 2 of the Southern League, it listed some of the internationals who had previously represented the club, including Alex Morten in 1873 and Arthur Savage and Charles Eastlake Smith in 1876, showing that they recognised themselves as a continuation of the original amateur team."

Did they? He doesn't say is that this is buried in a list of general football 'Records and Facts' on the last page of the handbook. Manning has ripped this line out of context.

Attachment: CPFC 1906 handbook.pdf (33,548.68Kb)

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 25 Jul 23 3.22pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

If and when we one day return home to Crystal Palace, we will unreservedly be able to claim 1861

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 05 Nov 23 6.40pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Stuart Hibberd talks to the London History podcast about the first Crystal Palace FC. [Link]

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 09 Feb 24 4.45pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link]

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 09 Feb 24 5.55pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

My wife gave me Peter Manning's book, Palace at The Palace for Christmas. Very well researched and an interesting read which provides pretty compelling evidence that our club originated in 1861.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 09 Feb 24 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

My wife gave me Peter Manning's book, Palace at The Palace for Christmas. Very well researched and an interesting read which provides pretty compelling evidence that our club originated in 1861.

What was the compelling evidence?

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 09 Feb 24 6.26pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

What was the compelling evidence?

In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway!

Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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View dorking's Profile dorking Flag 09 Feb 24 8.30pm Send a Private Message to dorking Add dorking as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link]

This bit sums it up for me

This claim has been disputed by football historians and also rejected by the Football Association after a detailed review by the National Football Museum.

The FA told The Times in April 2022: “Amongst those historians, the broad consensus is that there is not a clear, substantial and continuous link from the Crystal Palace club founded in 1861 to that founded in 1905. Therefore, we will continue to recognise both the 1861 and 1905 foundation dates of the clubs named Crystal Palace.”

The sooner that 1861 comes off the current club's crest, the better as far as I am concerned.

 

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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway!

Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways.

It was members of the cricket club, not the cricket club. Anyhow, the football club folded in 1876. A new club of the same name started three decades later that had nothing to do with the old club. I've read the book and Manning has provided no evidence to the contrary. It's funny that the club historian hasn't come to the same conclusion.

 

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