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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 May 18 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Indeed, and I have found out that, although, we disagree on a prudent approach to reforming Europe, we actually agree on many things. Although I am more middle of the road than a Labour supporter.

Hrofl's problem is he is obsessed by immigration and solely immigration. Ask if "a White boy from Cape Town or a pakistani boy from Croydon is more British" and he is Biggles in a tailspin. There is a possibility that if he lost the fixation there could be actual posts worthy of a proper response.

PV is just a moron.

You're no snowflake, which I always respect in a poster.

Obviously I tend to agree with Hrolf on most things. Where we might differ that's fine.....hell, people make too much of political difference anyway.....it's not like any of us can make the blind bit of difference to any of it.

I'm not someone who gets bothered by skin colour because I believe in the individual. That doesn't mean I'm blind to the different statistics on violence and other behaviours connected to different communities. It's just that every individual deserves the right to be judged for their character....similar to what MLK said more than fifty years ago. I'm more interested in allegiance.....perhaps I'm a fool, perhaps I'm right...at the end of the day what I think makes not a jot of difference. All I can do is vote with the ballot box or my feet.

But I am an ethnocentrist. I do think the 'west is best' and that cultural relativism is a bag of balls.

As a teacher that had me very much a political minority. I kept my mouth shut in the staffroom....but that's alright because it shouldn't be the job of a mainstream teacher to be politically biased anyway....but unfortunately not all of them see it that way.

PV's got it in for you.....but surely it's too hot to be angry. Let's just chill and have a cool drink in the sun

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 May 2018 5.17pm)

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 06 May 18 5.30pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As I've said before much of the bad feeling is caused by yourself. Just ignore him instead of constantly sniping away

Mid E,

After he was going to report me to the Police for a post where he took offence to a direct and attributed quote from Sterling; where he took absolutely no offence to the original: I feel I can present fact that PV possesses a very low IQ.

It's not like he ever apologised but was in fact proud of his expansive ignorance.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 06 May 18 5.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

But I am an ethnocentrist. I do think the 'west is best' and that cultural relativism is a bag of balls.

I am sure we could talk sensibly face to face with a beer, a nice warm pint of wallop (as battle action comics would say) in front of us. I feel the topic ( of British and the UK) is bigger than just ethnocentrism.

Many though just can't see past the initial physical issues and a fear of what they do not understand, nor have they properly researched, apart from reading literature which already agrees with their POV.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 May 18 5.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

I am sure we could talk sensibly face to face with a beer, a nice warm pint of wallop (as battle action comics would say) in front of us. I feel the topic ( of British and the UK) is bigger than just ethnocentrism.

Many though just can't see past the initial physical issues and a fear of what they do not understand, nor have they properly researched, apart from reading literature which already agrees with their POV.

Yeah, we started off quite combative but we've mellowed. You're alright and if we have a ding dong battle we don't carry it on afterwards into other threads....It would be nice if PV just saw it like that.

You and those that agree with you or disagree with you have a right to a voice on the board and I'm happy you post here.

Got two kids now, but yeah, when I make it down to London for a few matches in 2019 or 20 it'll be nice to catch a beer.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 May 18 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Indeed, and I have found out that, although, we disagree on a prudent approach to reforming Europe, we actually agree on many things. Although I am more middle of the road than a Labour supporter.

Hrofl's problem is he is obsessed by immigration and solely immigration. Ask if "a White boy from Cape Town or a pakistani boy from Croydon is more British" and he is Biggles in a tailspin. There is a possibility that if he lost the fixation there could be actual posts worthy of a proper response.

PV is just a moron.

It is rather significant for the future of this country.
As a poster and a parent, I have a strong opinion about it. Is it something I obsess about internally? No.
I'm too much of a realist to think that I can really affect any of it. I also realise that obviously, none of it will be a problem for me after I'm dead.

These threads are to share opinions and ideas.
I do understand that some people's only mission in life is to score some imaginary points against other posters but I really couldn't care less. I'm 54. I think what I think and others can like it or not. I'm certain that there is political commonality among all the posters here if we cared to find it but some prefer the adversarial approach. It really isn't important either way. There is little room for nuance on a discussion thread so arguments tend to become very polarised. That is the nature of the beast.


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 06 May 18 8.35pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Mid E,

I feel I can present fact that PV possesses a very low IQ.

Like a sworn affidavit at your local solicitors in norbury ? You got much money to defend yourself Mr millionaire ?

 


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View davidpercival's Profile davidpercival Flag Croydon 06 May 18 9.30pm Send a Private Message to davidpercival Add davidpercival as a friend

I didn't say it was a great result for Labour (except in London - as I said earlier best since 1971 here). Neither do I think Brexit was the main issue. What I was saying is that the Tories are going to split over it because there will have to be a compromise which allows trade without hindrance with Europe (Customs union or some other similar arrangement) which will not be accepted by the extreme Brexit people in the cabinet and amongst the Tory MPs. When that moment comes (I would guess around September) one side or the other will not accept the outcome and the split will become manifest. My hunch is that there will be a general election before the year is out.I agree that Corbyn himself will be happy for us to be out of EU because EU rules would make a lot of his programme implement impossible to implement but practically no one in the LP would split over a customs union issue.

Originally posted by Badger11

Personally I don't believe this was a great result for Labour. The next GE is 4 years away (hopefully for Brenda's sake) so it can be argued that this result will be irrelevant to all parties as a week is a long time in politics.

Where I will take issue with you is the assumption that it is only the Tories that are split over Brexit. Labour is just as divided, many MPs are Remain whilst their supporters are Brexit. Corbyn was the arch Brexiteer until he became party leader now he walks a tightrope. My guess is that he is hoping that the Tory's will complete Brexit whilst he can complain that it is not the Brexit the nation needs.

What is sadly lacking from both the Tory's and Labour is a vision of Britain post Brexit.

One final point I don't believe that Brexit was an issue in these elections, well isn't this about local government? True but UKIP were successful in making every type of election about Brexit until Cameron gave them the referendum. Despite the noises from the Remain campaign I see no appetite from the voters to change the result of the referendum. If there is this so called mass support then why no surge for the one party that is Pro EU?

The Remainers can complain all they like but until this is reflected at the polls it is just whining.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 1.53pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Like a sworn affidavit at your local solicitors in norbury ? You got much money to defend yourself Mr millionaire ?

Actually yes, *****, I AM NOT MAZ.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (07 May 2018 1.59pm)

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Actually yes, *****, I AM NOT MAZ.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (07 May 2018 1.59pm)

Moron ? name calling. bullying. Mods give him a red please.

Eagles, whenever this troll just keeps banging on and on and insulting everybody you should click the yellow triangle in the bottom left corner and alert a moderator to a boring lefty troll with no interest in football nor palace.

thanks

Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 May 2018 2.07pm)

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 2.08pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Moron ? name calling. bullying. Mods give him a red please.

Moron.

You've flounced already mate.

TBH, go to the Police again.

 


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Originally posted by pefwin

Moron.

You've flounced already mate.

TBH, go to the Police again.

name calling. bullying. Alert a moderator to stop this bloke ruining it for everybody else. At no point have i thrown insulting labels at people. Its your modus operandi.

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

name calling. bullying. Alert a moderator to stop this bloke ruining it for everybody else. At no point have i thrown insulting labels at people. Its your modus operandi.


There's nothing wrong with calling someone a moron or an idiot say. As long as it isn't apart of some continuous tirade over loads of posts.

We can't get that touchy, we have it about right at a low tolerance for swearing.

Can't you just get along with Pefwin? I don't think he's a bad person or anything, he just has a different worldview. Or you could just ignore him.

It's a beautiful day out there.

 


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