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Matov 14 Apr 20 2.07pm
Originally posted by serial thriller The whole thing is toxic. Perhaps. But it also might be just what Starmer needs. Essentially the outcome of this defines Labours future because there simply cannot be even a pretence of unity from now on between the Momentum types and the Centre/Blairite types. One of those parts of the Labour Party has to be pushed to one side in a meaningful way. Starmer has to decide which way he goes. Now I doubt the mans political intelligence/nous but I now stand to be proved wrong. The battle was coming but it is clear that this report will be the ground over which it will be decided. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Apr 20 2.07pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

The whole thing is toxic.

Perhaps. But it also might be just what Starmer needs. Essentially the outcome of this defines Labours future because there simply cannot be even a pretence of unity from now on between the Momentum types and the Centre/Blairite types.

One of those parts of the Labour Party has to be pushed to one side in a meaningful way. Starmer has to decide which way he goes. Now I doubt the mans political intelligence/nous but I now stand to be proved wrong.

The battle was coming but it is clear that this report will be the ground over which it will be decided.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Apr 20 2.57pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Possibly getting legal teams to look at it before they report it? It shows the essential problem with Corbyn and his supporters. - If he hadn't have been leader, remain would have probably won the referendum. - If he'd have stood down after the referendum, May wouldn't have called the 2017 GE. - I still can't believe that JC and Momentum celebrated the 2017 election as a win. They were stood against a dreadful Tory government with dreadful policies and still not trusted. Not standing down effectively crippled UK politics for the next two years. - If he was gone before Boris then the Tories would have been well and truely buggered. Minority governments don't win GE's.... but Labour managed to lose it by an landslide. It was just impossible to move him, you'd just get shouted down by his idiotic supporters. I'm so glad they've moved these deluded people from oposition. Labour's worst result since Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Starlin were European leaders. In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories. These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats. I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 14 Apr 20 2.57pm

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Originally posted by jeeagles

Possibly getting legal teams to look at it before they report it?

It shows the essential problem with Corbyn and his supporters.

- If he hadn't have been leader, remain would have probably won the referendum.
- If he'd have stood down after the referendum, May wouldn't have called the 2017 GE.
- I still can't believe that JC and Momentum celebrated the 2017 election as a win. They were stood against a dreadful Tory government with dreadful policies and still not trusted. Not standing down effectively crippled UK politics for the next two years.
- If he was gone before Boris then the Tories would have been well and truely buggered. Minority governments don't win GE's.... but Labour managed to lose it by an landslide.

It was just impossible to move him, you'd just get shouted down by his idiotic supporters.

I'm so glad they've moved these deluded people from oposition. Labour's worst result since Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Starlin were European leaders.

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Apr 20 3.18pm
Originally posted by serial thriller In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories. These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats. I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017. Well that was a lucky escape.
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The garden of England 14 Apr 20 3.18pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

Well that was a lucky escape.

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jeeagles 14 Apr 20 3.56pm
Originally posted by serial thriller In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories. These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats. I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017. I'm not really sure how 2,200 votes could have made a difference. Labour gained around 30 seats overall with 20 coming from the Tories. The Tories, whith May, bedroom tax, brexit, tuition fees, austerity, return of fox hunting, care plans. Plus people were pissed of with them for trying to call another election in the first place. Any decent oposition would have taken May to the cleaners for being so arrogant. Blair would have won a landslide. It was really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. He effectively won 4 more seats than Gordon Brown after the financial crisis. He was pretty much down to the core labour support, who then abandoned him in 2019 when the Tories produced a half decent candidate. The middle ground hate Corbyn.
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14 Apr 20 3.56pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

I'm not really sure how 2,200 votes could have made a difference. Labour gained around 30 seats overall with 20 coming from the Tories.

The Tories, whith May, bedroom tax, brexit, tuition fees, austerity, return of fox hunting, care plans. Plus people were pissed of with them for trying to call another election in the first place. Any decent oposition would have taken May to the cleaners for being so arrogant. Blair would have won a landslide.

It was really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

He effectively won 4 more seats than Gordon Brown after the financial crisis. He was pretty much down to the core labour support, who then abandoned him in 2019 when the Tories produced a half decent candidate.

The middle ground hate Corbyn.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 14 Apr 20 4.05pm
Originally posted by jeeagles I'm not really sure how 2,200 votes could have made a difference. Labour gained around 30 seats overall with 20 coming from the Tories. The Tories, whith May, bedroom tax, brexit, tuition fees, austerity, return of fox hunting, care plans. Plus people were pissed of with them for trying to call another election in the first place. Any decent oposition would have taken May to the cleaners for being so arrogant. Blair would have won a landslide. It was really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. He effectively won 4 more seats than Gordon Brown after the financial crisis. He was pretty much down to the core labour support, who then abandoned him in 2019 when the Tories produced a half decent candidate. The middle ground hate Corbyn. So does everybody else, well 99.99%. Hopefully Starmer(if he survives), will give BoJo a run for his money & Britain can have a 'proper' election battle that even the BBC will enjoy. Disclaimer: I am neither a 'red' nor a 'blue' I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 14 Apr 20 4.05pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

I'm not really sure how 2,200 votes could have made a difference. Labour gained around 30 seats overall with 20 coming from the Tories.

It was really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

The middle ground hate Corbyn.

So does everybody else, well 99.99%. Hopefully Starmer(if he survives), will give BoJo a run for his money & Britain can have a 'proper' election battle that even the BBC will enjoy.

Disclaimer: I am neither a 'red' nor a 'blue'

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 14 Apr 20 4.19pm
I'm not really here to get into another argument about Corbyn as his time has come and gone. But it's worth remembering that in 2017, he didn't only win core Labour voters: he won 40% of the electorate, more than Blair did in 2005. But 2019 was a disaster and those of us on the left have a lot to learn from it. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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The Promised Land 14 Apr 20 4.19pm

I'm not really here to get into another argument about Corbyn as his time has come and gone. But it's worth remembering that in 2017, he didn't only win core Labour voters: he won 40% of the electorate, more than Blair did in 2005.

But 2019 was a disaster and those of us on the left have a lot to learn from it.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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jeeagles 14 Apr 20 4.45pm
Originally posted by serial thriller I'm not really here to get into another argument about Corbyn as his time has come and gone. But it's worth remembering that in 2017, he didn't only win core Labour voters: he won 40% of the electorate, more than Blair did in 2005. But 2019 was a disaster and those of us on the left have a lot to learn from it. Blair won a landslide though (3 landslides). Corbyn lost two general elections. He stood for remain in the referendum and lost that too. This is exactly the issue Labour have had with Corbyn supporters.... it took being 3 defeat and a complete embarresment before they would even contemplate that he might be a dreadful leader.
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jeeagles

14 Apr 20 4.45pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

But 2019 was a disaster and those of us on the left have a lot to learn from it.

Blair won a landslide though (3 landslides).

Corbyn lost two general elections.
He stood for remain in the referendum and lost that too.

This is exactly the issue Labour have had with Corbyn supporters.... it took being 3 defeat and a complete embarresment before they would even contemplate that he might be a dreadful leader.

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Matov 14 Apr 20 5.09pm
Originally posted by serial thriller In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories. That is a little disingenious. There were 7 Tory seats with thin victory margins that could have swung Labours way but only if those votes could be distributed specifically. And everything is full of 'what ifs'. Originally posted by serial thriller These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats. Now that is a bloody good point and if I was a Corbyn supporter in the Labour Party I would be fuming about that. One of the most shocking acts of betrayal I can recollect in British politics in the modern era. Absolutely despicable. Originally posted by serial thriller I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017. Nah. Labour would still not have been able to form a Government. A coalition with the SNP might have offered a short term stay in Number 10 but at the cost of a second referendum and utter melt-down in England. Tempting yes but mid to long term? Disastrous. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Apr 20 5.09pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

That is a little disingenious. There were 7 Tory seats with thin victory margins that could have swung Labours way but only if those votes could be distributed specifically. And everything is full of 'what ifs'.

Originally posted by serial thriller

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

Now that is a bloody good point and if I was a Corbyn supporter in the Labour Party I would be fuming about that. One of the most shocking acts of betrayal I can recollect in British politics in the modern era. Absolutely despicable.

Originally posted by serial thriller

Nah. Labour would still not have been able to form a Government. A coalition with the SNP might have offered a short term stay in Number 10 but at the cost of a second referendum and utter melt-down in England. Tempting yes but mid to long term? Disastrous.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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jeeagles 14 Apr 20 8.46pm
Labour is there to protect the jobs.... that includes the jobs of their own MPs. There's two ways of looking at this. Had they not siphoned off that money they may have ended up getting hammered in their strongholds as well.... just like what happened last year.
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14 Apr 20 8.46pm

Labour is there to protect the jobs.... that includes the jobs of their own MPs.

There's two ways of looking at this.

Had they not siphoned off that money they may have ended up getting hammered in their strongholds as well.... just like what happened last year.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 14 Apr 20 8.52pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Isn�t that how they get Chelsea fans? HA HA
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Any european country i fancy! 14 Apr 20 8.52pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn�t that how they get Chelsea fans?

HA HA

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 20 10.28pm
Originally posted by serial thriller In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories. These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats. I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017. This is a desperately sad post. People like you just can't smell the coffee. There has only been one Labour Government since the seventies and that was New Labour, 'New' meaning not militant lefty dinosaurs. They won by being Tory lite. When will people like you understand that Britain will not vote for Micky Mouse Communism any more than it will vote for pretend Fascists?
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Originally posted by serial thriller

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

This is a desperately sad post.

People like you just can't smell the coffee. There has only been one Labour Government since the seventies and that was New Labour, 'New' meaning not militant lefty dinosaurs. They won by being Tory lite.

When will people like you understand that Britain will not vote for Micky Mouse Communism any more than it will vote for pretend Fascists?

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serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Apr 20 8.48am
Originally posted by jeeagles Labour is there to protect the jobs.... that includes the jobs of their own MPs. There's two ways of looking at this. Had they not siphoned off that money they may have ended up getting hammered in their strongholds as well.... just like what happened last year. Exactly!!! Labour's first mission is to become a government. So it begs the question even more: why were there so many actively working to prevent this from happening? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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serial thriller

The Promised Land 15 Apr 20 8.48am

Originally posted by jeeagles

Labour is there to protect the jobs.... that includes the jobs of their own MPs.

There's two ways of looking at this.

Had they not siphoned off that money they may have ended up getting hammered in their strongholds as well.... just like what happened last year.

Exactly!!!

Labour's first mission is to become a government. So it begs the question even more: why were there so many actively working to prevent this from happening?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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