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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Hard Brexit 03 Nov 15 2.40am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Economy in worst state since the 1940's:

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Viva la revolution!

 


"The real question is, at the end of the day, do we want to run our country? Are we proud of who we are? Are we happy to be just a star on somebody else's flag, or do we want to be an independent nation? - Nigel Farage

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They nationalise a lot if not all the foreign E&P investments a few years ago - so don't be surprised that no one in their right mind would invest again. Ditto Argentina - both hydro carbon rich, formerly very properous, ravaged by corruption for years.

 

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Quote matt_himself at 03 Nov 2015 2.40am

Economy in worst state since the 1940's:

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Viva la revolution!


Yeah, but they're all more equal now they're all poor so it's great isn't it?

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 03 Nov 15 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

And yet they can still throw 30m of the state oil company's money at sponsoring Pastor Maldonado every year.

 


Optimistic as ever

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View beagle's Profile beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 03 Nov 15 12.23pm Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

My Cousin is married and lives out there.

After his last visit to the UK (in the Summer) I watched him pack a second suitcase for 'essentials' to take back to Venzuela: Andrex, Milk powder, and Butter were the priority.

A dangerous country as well - two of his close Venezuelan friends were recently both shot dead in separate robbery incidents.

 


When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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View twist's Profile twist Flag Miami, Florida 03 Nov 15 2.12pm Send a Private Message to twist Add twist as a friend

Venezuela is now run by Cuba.
Maduro is an even bigger nut job that Chavez, but at least Chavez was intelligent, this guy has no clue, or care.

Up until a month ago, my wife was HR Manager for Brinks Latin America in Miami. She dealt alot with Venezuela as that is where Brinks make their money in South America.

Every visitor from Venezuela would bring almost no clothes, to leave space in their suitcase for washing powder, diapers etc.

They would fly their broken planes up to Miami to get repaired as they could not repair them in Venezuela.
Unfortunately this resulted in one plane going down with the loss of 4 lives about 2 miles from my house! On board was the pilot and co-pilot, and 2 people who had just made the journey to shop for basics.

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View blind eagle's Profile blind eagle Flag Covington.Tennessee 03 Nov 15 3.32pm Send a Private Message to blind eagle Add blind eagle as a friend

Quote beagle at 03 Nov 2015 12.23pm

My Cousin is married and lives out there.

After his last visit to the UK (in the Summer) I watched him pack a second suitcase for 'essentials' to take back to Venzuela: Andrex, Milk powder, and Butter were the priority.

A dangerous country as well - two of his close Venezuelan friends were recently both shot dead in separate robbery incidents.


Toilet paper is a must!!!!!!! If anybody ever went down the drain with communism its Venezuela!.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 03 Nov 15 5.04pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

My reading of the situation in Venezuela is this. Since the fall of the Berlin wall and the expansion of global capitalism in to virtually every corner of the globe, state Socialism has faced a two-fold problem in terms of maintaining itself. Either it attempts to fight against the tide, building nationalist movements like you saw in France in the 80s or Corbyn at the moment, which push for socialist policies within a framework of global capitalism. This almost inevitably leads to compromise and disappointment, especially if the grassroots movement that propel them fade away.

The other option is the Venezuelan model of becoming a pretty insular society, relying on funding via a high level export. You see it in Scandanavia to an extent as well. Problem is, once that export evaporates or demand goes down, you're pretty f*cked. I actually think in the past few decades Venezuela has done some brilliant things for its people, and been relatively democratic and open in the process. But ultimately without a concerted global move away from capitalism, it is hard to see a way of making it stick.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Quote serial thriller at 03 Nov 2015 5.04pm

My reading of the situation in Venezuela is this. Since the fall of the Berlin wall and the expansion of global capitalism in to virtually every corner of the globe, state Socialism has faced a two-fold problem in terms of maintaining itself. Either it attempts to fight against the tide, building nationalist movements like you saw in France in the 80s or Corbyn at the moment, which push for socialist policies within a framework of global capitalism. This almost inevitably leads to compromise and disappointment, especially if the grassroots movement that propel them fade away.

The other option is the Venezuelan model of becoming a pretty insular society, relying on funding via a high level export. You see it in Scandanavia to an extent as well. Problem is, once that export evaporates or demand goes down, you're pretty f*cked. I actually think in the past few decades Venezuela has done some brilliant things for its people, and been relatively democratic and open in the process. But ultimately without a concerted global move away from capitalism, it is hard to see a way of making it stick.


It's got a population of 30 million, some of the largest oil reserves in the world - Venezuela should be one of the richest countries on the planet - the reason it's not is simple - corruption at the highest levels of Government and industry.

 

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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Hard Brexit 03 Nov 15 5.24pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 03 Nov 2015 5.04pm

My reading of the situation in Venezuela is this. Since the fall of the Berlin wall and the expansion of global capitalism in to virtually every corner of the globe, state Socialism has faced a two-fold problem in terms of maintaining itself. Either it attempts to fight against the tide, building nationalist movements like you saw in France in the 80s or Corbyn at the moment, which push for socialist policies within a framework of global capitalism. This almost inevitably leads to compromise and disappointment, especially if the grassroots movement that propel them fade away.

The other option is the Venezuelan model of becoming a pretty insular society, relying on funding via a high level export. You see it in Scandanavia to an extent as well. Problem is, once that export evaporates or demand goes down, you're pretty f*cked. I actually think in the past few decades Venezuela has done some brilliant things for its people, and been relatively democratic and open in the process. But ultimately without a concerted global move away from capitalism, it is hard to see a way of making it stick.

The problem is that the politics and the system doesn't work. Everyone knows that this 'mumbo jumbo' is simply an expensive social engineering project which is doomed to failure from the start.

Also, I guess its which country you compare the country with when calling it 'relatively democratic'. Are you using the DPRK as the comparison model?

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"The real question is, at the end of the day, do we want to run our country? Are we proud of who we are? Are we happy to be just a star on somebody else's flag, or do we want to be an independent nation? - Nigel Farage

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View leifandersonshair's Profile leifandersonshair Flag Newport 03 Nov 15 7.08pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

The politics and the system work- but, as Serial notes, state socialism is unsustainable in the current global climate of unfettered capitalism. Just as, in a world of successful socialist states, the single capitalist country would inevitably fail.

Calling socialism 'mumbo jumbo' is lazy and no real argument. Capitalism is a bunch of old hogwash. See? I can do it too!

 

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stevegood Flag 03 Nov 15 8.55pm

Why didn't the politics and system of socialism work when half the world was communist before the collapse of the USSR?


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