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 The White Horse  07 Dec 16 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Anyone who wants a good laugh at a remoaner MP getting a true rinsing live on air, google the radio interview between new Lib Dem MP Sarah Olney and talk radios's Julia Hartley-Brewer. She gets hooked off half way through Funny as fcuk. Point being it highlights the very real hypocrisy and attitude of large swathes of the remoan supporters. The "keep voting until we win" stance is tiresome. I enjoyed this interview as much as the next man, but I'd say not having slept for 36 hours probably had more to do with her basically ending the interview than the incisiveness of the questioning.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 07 Dec 16 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by The White Horse
I enjoyed this interview as much as the next man, but I'd say not having slept for 36 hours probably had more to do with her basically ending the interview than the incisiveness of the questioning. Then you are naive Monsieur Cheval Blanc, it is clear from the tone of the interjecting moronic press officer, that she's been withdrawn from the firing line before she cried and stamps her feet.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Dec 16 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You and many others did not read the small print its no good wishing it has to be exact thats what the courts are doing examining what it actually says not you or I think. Calling a referendum is already a constitutional crisis in a country where there is no written constitution (us) as Mrs. Thatcher said it is political expediency at the expense of parliamentary sovereignity. The UK does have a constitution of sorts, laid down in the 1998 Human Rights act, and in legal precedent, fundamentally dating back to magna carta. You don't need a written constitution to have a constitution, only the means by which constitutional law is established and enforced.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Dec 16 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Couldn't disagree more a referendum is just an opinion poll it doesn't have a legal status unless the enabling bill makes it so. Thats the root of the problem that the enabling bill does not specify any action upon the result except to advise. This is where our millions go on badly drafted legislation. Do take your point. You'd be wrong though, as the referendum was created by an act of parliament, with authority given to the secretary of state. As such, if government tried to claim it was 'not adhering to the result' the degree to which it could be ignored would likely be tested in court. Almost certainly this would lead to the judiciary setting the necessary precedent that Referendums are binding, and that governments are obliged to purse the result. And UK government (and opposition) know that. Existing precedent is on their side (as all outcomes from referendums have been honoured, and adhered to). Referendums are not currently binding. But that's only because its never been tested in UK law. And there is no way in UK law, that a democratically elected government, could hope to win that case. Without a general election tested pledge or a second referendum, an exit from the EU is unavoidable. Its all really about how. Its as absurd to say otherwise, as it is those fringe Exiters, who just want to repeal the 1975 act, without engaging in Artcle 50. Neither would be legally upheld.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Dec 16 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The UK does have a constitution of sorts, laid down in the 1998 Human Rights act, and in legal precedent, fundamentally dating back to magna carta. You don't need a written constitution to have a constitution, only the means by which constitutional law is established and enforced. I'm staying with Mrs.T on this one
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Dec 16 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You'd be wrong though, as the referendum was created by an act of parliament, with authority given to the secretary of state. As such, if government tried to claim it was 'not adhering to the result' the degree to which it could be ignored would likely be tested in court. Almost certainly this would lead to the judiciary setting the necessary precedent that Referendums are binding, and that governments are obliged to purse the result. And UK government (and opposition) know that. Existing precedent is on their side (as all outcomes from referendums have been honoured, and adhered to). Referendums are not currently binding. But that's only because its never been tested in UK law. And there is no way in UK law, that a democratically elected government, could hope to win that case. Without a general election tested pledge or a second referendum, an exit from the EU is unavoidable. Its all really about how. Its as absurd to say otherwise, as it is those fringe Exiters, who just want to repeal the 1975 act, without engaging in Artcle 50. Neither would be legally upheld. The referendum enabling bill instructed the result to be advisory. That is what has happened. Referendum results are binding in law if the enabling bill states that is what is to be done with the result. What possible legal challenge could there be? Parliament has specified they are to be advised and that has taken place.
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Dec 16 4.25pm |
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This just goes to show how out of touch middle class white people, living in nice areas, are with the working class they claim to support:
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Dec 16 4.49pm |
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Labour are in for a shock as UKIP could quite well end up in opposition due to the latest figures out. Corbyn has lost the Labour party a lot of votes since being in charge. When it comes to a general election even though thousands joined his party .....for £3 and £25 which was in order they might vote him in as leader knowing full well he will never ever be a Prime Minister. Good move on their part in my opinion.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 07 Dec 16 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
This just goes to show how out of touch middle class white people, living in nice areas, are with the working class they claim to support: Fails to include the stat on the numbers who voted Brexit based upon which party they voted for in 2015. Only about 1/3rd (36%) of Labour voters in 2015 voted for Brexit. But then you'd expect nothing less from Guido's site - which is both impartial and awful at the same time!
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| matt_himself Matataland 07 Dec 16 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Fails to include the stat on the numbers who voted Brexit based upon which party they voted for in 2015. Only about 1/3rd (36%) of Labour voters in 2015 voted for Brexit. But then you'd expect nothing less from Guido's site - which is both impartial and awful at the same time! Doesn't that just reinforce the message that Labour is no longer the party of the working class?
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 07 Dec 16 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Reading this thread tells me that the the Remoaners excuses for trying to derail Brexit are getting more and more flimsy. There is only one real reason. Political ambition. You don't think that believing that leaving will bugger up the economy, reduce environmental protection, isolate the UK geopolitically, while costing the country a fortune is a reasonable reason to seek scrutiny and check whether Brexit makes sense?
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 07 Dec 16 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Doesn't that just reinforce the message that Labour is no longer the party of the working class? I reckon that political parties shouldn't be class or identity based. Much better for parties to advocate policies based on best evidence rather than just marketing, no?
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