Isolation, whilst regrettable, isn't the same kind of problem as having groups of 'racists and sectarians' marching through areas with high populations of the population they are targeting.

Bit like those Orange marches - When they're marching through loyalist areas, no one really gives a s**t, when they marched in Catholic area, it unsurprisingly resulted in violent disorder.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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So which particular branch on the many-branched tree that is Islam is causing the problems? Or do you want to reform/target all of them. The twenty or the thirty or however many variants there are?

Is that reform or is that prejudicial and bigoted targeting of groups who have nothing to do with terrorism and neither are a concern for our security forces? The Ismailis, for example.

Your ideas on this matter are somewhat irrational, ill-thought out and smack of paranoia which would only encourage and fuel extremism. 'Thank you, Mr Stirling' says Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Now you say I voted for the kind of behaviour evolving and this circumstance. I don't quite get what you mean. Is it because I haven't voted Tory ever?

That same party that has been responsible for enacting policies over most of the past 40 years which have resulted in situations which you disingenuously blame the other side for and when it was actually you who voted for it, wasn't it?

The irony is slapping you about the head but you still just can't admit it, can you? You helped this country into the mess it is in. Many times.

Edited by Kermit8 (16 Oct 2017 5.03pm)

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A bit, but I'm happy to agree that Islamist terrorism in the UK is presently the biggest issue the security services have to deal with. They're also the most difficult - as groups in the UK increasingly aren't affiliated to a larger organisation, and becoming driven more by the need to succeed than the need to be identified. The days of a groups seeking out permission from Mullahs, and receiving spiritual councilling and conversation with similar minded people, seems to have diminished greatly with the rise of IS - which makes detecting them much harder. Fortunately, its made them technically less savy in the UK, relying on their own finance, ingenuity and planning. It would be disengenious to dismiss radical islamists.

That said, attacks in recent years have been largely more spontaneous and disorganised (making them harder to prevent, but paradoxically less deadly or spectacular).

That said events in France and Belgium, very much suggest that this may be down to the effectiveness of the UK intelligence services and the border barriers of the UK.

This will change though, as Jihadists return from Syria, potentially also bringing equipment with them that is difficult for Islamist terrorists in the UK to obtain (such as proper detonators, explosive triggers, tactics, security training and firearms).

The far right, along with the ALF groups still represent a persistent problem. Combat 18 and assorted splinter groups has always been a problem in the UK that has been persistently under reported in terms of media focus - and these represent a growing concern as they have formed association with German national socialist groups and US groups, including other outlawed groups.

Groups like EDL and Britain First aren't as big a concern as the underground far right in the UK. A lot of people with the EDL or Britain First are a nuisance and loud issue, but they aren't terrorists and neither are they likely to be involved in murder or attempted murder.

National Socialist / Fascist groups in the UK that are a concern, don't advertise themselves in terms of marches or protests, nor do they stand in elections or claim responsibility for their actions. No one is certain of just how many murders that C-18 has been behind in the UK and NI, but the estimates is more than just one or two (and the group is franchising itself internationally as well, as well as allied with its own splinter groups).

My guess would be that often when someone with EDL or BNP associations, or ex membership, is picked up and charged with something like Arson or Conspiracy to commit terrorism, they're Combat-18 affiliated.

The group, are very tight lipped and not above murder as a means of control (indeed a number of know murders have involved C-18 dealing with internal matters).

The Irish issue is still a very big concern. Whilst a number of cease-fires exist, groups like the INLA and UVF still operate, as do splinter groups of the Provisional IRA, increasingly both in NI and the UK - Notably moving much more into an organised crime capacity - And likely spoiling for the chance to see the Trouble re-ignite.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (16 Oct 2017 5.36pm)

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First half, I entirely agree with you - unacceptable and ignorant, and represents the embrace of ignorance.

I don't really care too much if someone wants to live their life their own way, provided they don't go about f**king it up for anyone else. So if they don't want to speak English, that's up to them, and if cousins want to marry and have kids, well that's not illegal either (nor is it a significant issue in terms of inbreeding either). I don't understand it, but f**k it, its not really my business - and doesn't really represent the Muslims I know.

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Most of these so called 'cohesion' problems, and terrorism, are with the Muslim 'community'. No problem with the Jewish community, even though their more extreme religious elements are not too interested in integration. Non-muslim Indian communities interact very well with others, most EU immigrants do too.

Edited by hedgehog50 (16 Oct 2017 5.59pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Isn't it hilarious! I read about this a day or so ok.....it's simply delicious considering his comments.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)