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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Sep 19 5.37am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway.

Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments.

 


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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 20 Sep 19 7.19am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Behold: the left wing moral high ground.

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Thats no different to the grenfell effergy. Will this "singer" be going to coart for a hate crime?

 

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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 20 Sep 19 7.45am Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

Is that a fact or an opinion?

I think it was a joke, Chris.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Sep 19 7.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them.

And the rest got away with it.

 


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jeeagles Flag 20 Sep 19 8.45am

Originally posted by the silurian

so why do so many want to be MPs? They know the terms and conditions, so why do they want to do it if its so terrible? Because it isnt, they make loads of money, massive expenses etc etc

Not that many people want to do it. There's about 1 MP per 100,000 people. At each election, assuming the incumbent wants to stay on, they'll probably be standing against 5 other people selected from very short, shortlists.

You're still probably looking at about 1 in every 5,000 people wanting to become an MP.

You ever get people who cant hold down a job (Corbyn) or people who've made their money wanting to do something better with their lifes (Hunt).

£60,000 a year to be responsible for 100,000 with the risk of losing your job every 4 years isn't enough to attract decent talent.

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 20 Sep 19 8.54am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Not that many people want to do it. There's about 1 MP per 100,000 people. At each election, assuming the incumbent wants to stay on, they'll probably be standing against 5 other people selected from very short, shortlists.

You're still probably looking at about 1 in every 5,000 people wanting to become an MP.

You ever get people who cant hold down a job (Corbyn) or people who've made their money wanting to do something better with their lifes (Hunt).

£60,000 a year to be responsible for 100,000 with the risk of losing your job every 4 years isn't enough to attract decent talent.

Its not just 60,000 a year though....its 79,000 + unlimited expenses (with no reciepts required) + subsidised bars restaurants + mortgages paid, long holidays + etc etc...so somewhat more than 60k a year
and you dont have to be that bright to be an MP...see the Peterboro MP and Diane Abbott for proof of this

Edited by the silurian (20 Sep 2019 8.57am)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 8.55am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

He wasnt literate enough

Literacy doesn't appear to be a barrier to membership here and the opportunity to regularly present inciteful wisdom from the Alf Garnett school of political thought. I think your housemate would feel right at home and among friends so it might be a kindness to invite him to join. He might be very lonely out there in the real world.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Sep 19 9.03am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Literacy doesn't appear to be a barrier to membership here and the opportunity to regularly present inciteful wisdom from the Alf Garnett school of political thought. I think your housemate would feel right at home and among friends so it might be a kindness to invite him to join. He might be very lonely out there in the real world.

Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.12am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To be fair only 389 of them got caught up in the expenses scandal. So, yes, most of them.

Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective.

Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business?

The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed.

So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Sep 19 9.15am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Alf Garnett’s views were satirical as are some of the comments on here. The tradition of the wind-up is alive and well on the HOL.

Some for sure, and all the more enjoyable for that, but satire always reflects real life. It just pokes fun at it so we can identify the hypocrisy.

We had all encountered a real Alf Garnett somewhere and not been able to laugh at him at the time.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Sep 19 9.22am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I am not suggesting that those who hold public office like an MP ought not be expected to be transparent with their expenses claims and whiter than white I do think we need to get this into perspective.

Like many people when I ran businesses I employed accountants to prepare and present my tax returns. I was once subjected to a HMRC enquiry which lasted months and turned up a number of mistakes in what was allowable and what wasn't. Does this make me a "crook" and unfit to run a business?

The culture surrounding claiming expenses has changed for the better. I well remember a journalist friend of mine who used to keep all the receipts from any activities we did together, including some pretty expensive meals, so he could submit them as part of his claims. He told me then that this was common practice in his industry and it was expected that people like him would earn double their stated salary that way so they could avoid paying the highest rate of tax and that this was encouraged by management. This was though 50 years ago and I am quite sure it won't be the same today. If it was with the level of public scrutiny they would soon be exposed.

So I suspect that many of the MPs who got caught up in the expenses "scandal" were victims of a past culture rather than inherently crooked. Life, expectations and standards move on. So I maintain my belief that most of our MPs are good people trying to do what they believe is best for us all.

Indeed. I’ve seen people earning relative fortunes ask for receipts for cups of tea and newspapers and you have to think lots of restaurants couldn’t charge their ridiculous prices without expense account customers but the difference with MPs was the sheer bewilderment most expressed at being questioned.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Essentially the EU has a choice, a deal with Johnson or a 'no deal' with Johnson.....where they will inevitably make some kind of deal later on anyway.

Regardless of what the supreme court thinks about parliament these next few days are probably the pivotal moments.

'non'..........

 

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