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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 May 19 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

No you don't. You just need a brain, of which you appear to be sadly lacking.

Also how is this kind of dross any different from PP?

My point being that the last vote was meant to have been to difficult too understand (Don't be rude neither)

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 15 May 19 9.26pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Lets assume you are correct.

If that is correct, do you think Theresa May and the members of parliament will suddenly change their tune en masse and get a no deal (I assume you are not happy with May's soft brexit) through parliament?

It is never going to happen.

Even a new leader of the tories will not get a no deal exit through parliament.

Are you holding out for a general election, sweeping Nigel Farage into No 10??

Trump and Farage, what a thought.

No doubt that makes you very excited.

Let's not overlook the fact that it may not, in the end, be parliament's decision. Albeit most unlikely (as it's not in their best interests anyway), but if we get a whole load of Brexit MEP's messing things up for everyone else in Brussels and being disruptive to the ongoing work of the EU (as is very, very likely), it could well be that the EU turns around and says no to any further discussions or extensions......Bingo! we are out with no deal and without any MP having to leave his/her seat.

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 15 May 19 9.31pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 May 19 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Wow.

100k people.

So many....such an achievement.

LMAO.

Millions will vote for the Brexit party. You know it too. Well you will.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 15 May 19 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

A question for those of you who want a second vote with Remain as an option.

Do you not have any worries about the damage it would do to the faith people have in voting? I am geuninely puzzled at how so many people who want a second stab at the Remain cherry are so blase about the potential fall out.

Or is your opinion of those of us who voted Leave so low that you don't think the undermining of our belief in democracy is worthy of any consideration?

I genuinely don't think I have heard/seen or even read of a single prominent Remainer apologising for wanting us to have to vote again on an issue we were assured would be settled on June 23rd.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 15 May 19 11.21pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

A question for those of you who want a second vote with Remain as an option.

Do you not have any worries about the damage it would do to the faith people have in voting? I am geuninely puzzled at how so many people who want a second stab at the Remain cherry are so blase about the potential fall out.

Or is your opinion of those of us who voted Leave so low that you don't think the undermining of our belief in democracy is worthy of any consideration?

I genuinely don't think I have heard/seen or even read of a single prominent Remainer apologising for wanting us to have to vote again on an issue we were assured would be settled on June 23rd.

Fall out is definitely a concern, but the current situation has to be resolved one way or the other, Matov.

Currently we are traipsing along the road to nowhere.

A second vote provides a road to somewhere. Then people can begin to learn to accept that final destination, wherever it may be.

The proper and full grieving process can begin for the remainers, if we leave. They can learn to get by in the new normal, given enough time. They might even learn to accept the economic downturn that will probably come, but those who lose their own jobs or houses might struggle to be at peace with Brexit, if that is what takes place.

On the flip side, to the people who are unhappy with their lot in life, and have come to regard EU membership as the dragon that must be slain to allow them to resolve the issues that pain them so badly. To move upwards, be happier, have more money and freedom, see less foreigners in England, achieve "sovereignty" or whatever else they dreamt brexit would bring, would have to look elsewhere for that silver bullet.

They would be just as bitter as the man who loses his job and house due to a no deal exit, but perhaps maintaining status quo with EU membership is less likely to cause widespread economic turmoil?

Time heals all, Matov. As raw as everything is now, over the years the fires will burn down to embers, but never go out completely.

Whichever way it goes, some future politician is going to campaign on a reversal.

If it is a no deal brexit, then I will accept that as would anyone who is being reasonable at this stage. Like I said above though, having not voted for it, if it causes a huge recession and people lose jobs and houses, they would be pretty pissed off I would imagine, wouldn't you?

I wont apologize for suggesting a way out of this deadlock.

What is your idea to resolve the current impasse, out of interest?

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 15 May 19 11.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As an "incomer" I have nothing but a huge admiration for the locally born folk here who are very far from being yokels. They are among the nicest and smart people I have had the pleasure to know. They are also extremely welcoming and understand the benefits that the retirees bring here.

They have huge pride in their history and culture but don't have a racist strand involved anywhere. Sure they rag about the "English" and being "Celtic" but it isn't malicious in any way.

Londoners had pride in their history and culture as well which is why they are slightly miffed in Newham where they now represent 16% of the population. But then one group of people arenít malicious and the others are apparently a bunch of raving fascists.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 15 May 19 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Fall out is definitely a concern, but the current situation has to be resolved one way or the other, Matov.

Currently we are traipsing along the road to nowhere.

A second vote provides a road to somewhere. Then people can begin to learn to accept that final destination, wherever it may be.

But I will never accept. Nor do I believe would millions of others. That is the point. It goes on and on forever. It settles nothing. I would envisage a mass boycott of any second referendum with 'Remain' as an option and without a turn-out coming close to that on June 23rd, any result would not have any kind of validity. Our entire system of Governance would be potentially fatally undermined for decades to come and I genuinely fear what might lay on the other side.

The situation is that we need to leave ASAP. Without a deal since there clearly is not an acceptable one on offer, as matters stand. And the vote on June 23rd was not predecated with a requirement for there to be one.

What I struggle to get my head around is that any reasonable thinking person, who proclaims themselves in anyway in favour of democracy, can believe that re-running a vote because you don't like the outcome can lead to anything other than utter mayhem.

And not show any contrition in pushing such a POV.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 May 19 11.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

But I will never accept. Nor do I believe would millions of others. That is the point. It goes on and on forever. It settles nothing. I would envisage a mass boycott of any second referendum with 'Remain' as an option and without a turn-out coming close to that on June 23rd, any result would not have any kind of validity. Our entire system of Governance would be potentially fatally undermined for decades to come and I genuinely fear what might lay on the other side.

The situation is that we need to leave ASAP. Without a deal since there clearly is not an acceptable one on offer, as matters stand. And the vote on June 23rd was not predecated with a requirement for there to be one.

What I struggle to get my head around is that any reasonable thinking person, who proclaims themselves in anyway in favour of democracy, can believe that re-running a vote because you don't like the outcome can lead to anything other than utter mayhem.

And not show any contrition in pushing such a POV.

You should be reaching out to a lot more people than on HOL. I donít know how, but you should. However, you wouldnít be allowed to, unfortunately.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 12.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I just watched a video of Martin Lewis on "Politics Live". I haven't seen the whole show.

The sound bite that was headlined came from him and I think it succinctly sums up the reason why such a huge divide in opinions exists.

He said "Brexit does not mean the same thing to everyone who voted to leave. We had a black and white vote on a rainbow of issues".

As this is pretty much what I have said before I, of course, agree with him. He just puts it much better and in a way that's easy to understand.

That there are some, including many who post here, see it in black and white terms doesn't mean that all, or indeed many, leave voters see it that way.

What Brexit actually means varies a lot between people. That much must be obvious just from reading this long thread.

That includes all of those who voted to Remain but accepts they were outvoted, like many of the MPs.

Compromise is needed. What are people willing to accept? How do we find that out? The EU elections will be no guide. They will just provide a platform for the headbangers.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 16 May 19 1.07am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

But I will never accept. Nor do I believe would millions of others. That is the point. It goes on and on forever. It settles nothing. I would envisage a mass boycott of any second referendum with 'Remain' as an option and without a turn-out coming close to that on June 23rd, any result would not have any kind of validity. Our entire system of Governance would be potentially fatally undermined for decades to come and I genuinely fear what might lay on the other side.

The situation is that we need to leave ASAP. Without a deal since there clearly is not an acceptable one on offer, as matters stand. And the vote on June 23rd was not predecated with a requirement for there to be one.

What I struggle to get my head around is that any reasonable thinking person, who proclaims themselves in anyway in favour of democracy, can believe that re-running a vote because you don't like the outcome can lead to anything other than utter mayhem.

And not show any contrition in pushing such a POV.

Actually there was, Matov.

Triggering article 50 means you enter into negotiations on a withdrawal agreement or the so called "deal". That was written into the process many years ago.

Lots of people on the leave side said how easy it would be get a deal etc etc, so I dont agree with you there.

You speak of democracy, but you know very well that there is no way on earth all 17 plus million people voted for Brexit thinking it meant a no deal exit.

Lets say half didnt, that means a massive majority on June 23rd was NOT in favor of a no deal brexit.

Therein lies the rub.

That is the issue with your proposal to simply effect a no deal brexit asap and be done with it. If you want to hold democratic ideals in high regard on one hand, you cannot cast them aside on the other hand: No deal has not been voted for by the English people.

In a 2nd referendum, that idea can be voted upon, to see how much support it truly has.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 May 19 6.22am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Compromise is needed. What are people willing to accept? How do we find that out? The EU elections will be no guide. They will just provide a platform for the headbangers.

I love your idea of getting your excuses out before the elections have even taken place

Headbanger here who is willing compromise as long as we can take back our sovereignty and control our own borders and are free to make our own trade deals

 

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