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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 16 May 19 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. The point is that not every Leave voter thinks like that. Add them to the Remain voters and you are in a minority. Which is reflected in Parliament and why people are arguing to hold a confirmatory vote.
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Park Road  16 May 19 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So you confirm what I hinted at. It isn't the fact that there are new people there (which has always been so by the way) but that it is a particular type of new person you object to. Specifically, Muslims. Yawn! Yes, that's it... Wisbech.
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| Park Road 16 May 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I understand that and that there are a significant bunch of people who feel the same way. Look at the numbers who support the ERG and Farage to confirm that. again?Remember old chap just coz you think it is so, doesn't mean it is... You love to talk on others behalves, and well you just love to talk...
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| elgrande bedford 16 May 19 3.36pm |
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This absolute s*** storm all boils down to the EU not wanting to give any assurances or any ley way to the tosspot Cameron. They do not want to reform,they do not want to change...all aboard the gravy train. They are all for big business, and with the freedom of movement they know there is an endless supply of cheap labour. Personally I think we have shot our bolt with the EU now.
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| Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I voted for Brexit meaning that I wanted to be out of the EU in every way. I didn't vote to be half in and half out I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle. It is hard to hold democracy in high regard on one hand, calling for the vote in 2016 to be respected, otherwise its a betrayal, but on the other hand not accept that the democratic will of millions of leave voters is not a no deal exit. One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I think the biggest problem here is that plenty of people voted leave who are not aligned with your viewpoint, Midlands Eagle. It is hard to hold democracy in high regard on one hand, calling for the vote in 2016 to be respected, otherwise its a betrayal, but on the other hand not accept that the democratic will of millions of leave voters is not a no deal exit. One way to find out would some kind of 2nd vote. Divide and conquer eh? How transparent can you be? There can be no referendum with an option to remain. There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it. Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote.
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| Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Divide and conquer eh? How transparent can you be? There can be no referendum with an option to remain. There can be no referendum with only options for leaving because Remainers will sabotage it. Please stop suggesting what you know is a pathetic attempt to rig a vote. Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy? However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair. Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere. In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies. When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins. Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process. Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Why can there not be an option to remain, if that it now the will of the people? I thought you were all about democracy? However I didnt say that, I just said some kind of 2nd vote to be fair. Again, for the 50th time, we are currently on a road to nowhere so we need some kind of plan to get on to a road to somewhere. In a short while it will be 3 years since the vote, when it gets to 4 years since most elections, the people get another chance to pick a new leader, in most democracies. When does the line get drawn that enough time has passed since an issue was looked at that public opinion may have shifted? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? New vote could have Leave or Remain as question 1, majority wins. Question 2 could then be no deal/may's deal/whatever else for those who want to leave, along an indicative voting process. Then question 1 would be fair wouldn't it, as it wouldn't be splitting the leave vote. What a stupid question. Can you work out why?
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 May 2019 7.03pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What a stupid question. Can you work out why? You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 May 19 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.
It is a ridiculous idea.
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 becky over the moon 16 May 19 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
You need to enlighten me, as I dont follow you! Let me be sure you understand what I am saying: Question 1 (unrelated to question 2) Leave or Remain - same as 2016. Question 2 (for those who want to leave) May's deal/No deal/Norway plus/whatever. If question 1 goes on the side of Leave, then question 2 would dictate how. The dissenting opinions 'how' to leave the EU is the reason we havent left the EU yet.
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| Maine Eagle USA 16 May 19 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is a ridiculous idea. No. The second question would not be counted, on a spoiled ballot, or a ballot which indicates remain on the first question. Another theory would be, why should a remainer not get to have a say in how we leave, even if they don’t want to? It’s their country and economy too. Democracy would indicate everyone should have a say in how to leave, if we must leave? Edited by Maine Eagle (16 May 2019 8.43pm)
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