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W12 24 Sep 19 2.15pm

As David Starkey puts this - we are now under the rule of Lawyers

 

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W12 24 Sep 19 2.16pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Parliament wishes to stop a no-deal Brexit from happening, not brexit entirely.

Nope

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 2.20pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

He's correct on the reason behind the ruling but the intent is clear. JRM clarifiying this actually does more damage to those pretending it had no relation to Brexit.

Also do you post anything other than tweets? Stuff of value, like, y'know, personally constructed intellectual debate and opinion from said tweets would be a good start. Otherwise it's just unfiltered, low context propaganda.

 


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Originally posted by W12

Nope

Simply, yep. If you're partisan and a religious brelieber, then nope.

 


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Originally posted by W12

As David Starkey puts this - we are now under the rule of Lawyers

When the law needs to be involved, it gets involved. That's why it's the law. Although I reckon most Brexiteers would rather a dictatorship.

 


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Originally posted by Matov


Are you for the real? Seriously. How can you dismiss the offer of a General Election to settle this as a 'political ruse' and then tell me that all I need to do is choose a Parliament that agrees with me?

I want to do that. Johnson wants to do that. Corbyn claims to want to that as does every other supposed 'leader'.

So why aint it happening? Why is your precious Parilamentary democracy so scared of a GE?

Lets have it as soon as possible and lets have all the main players make a pledge to actually HONOUR what they claim they will over Brexit.

You want this to end without bloodshed and for us all to move on then this is the only course of action open.

So you'd accept the outcome of the GE? I doubt it. I'm not sure how you could, as it would effectively go against your own principles.

Also, again, I definitely think you're overstating the case when it comes to significant civil unrest. No one cares enough. They're too comfortable.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Sep 19 2.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

So just to clarify, Remain protests have been justified; up to and including throwing milkshakes on Brexit politicians. Brexit protests will not be justified.

What will be funny is how many of the turncoat politicians are about to lose their jobs.

Of course not. Direct action, however how juvenile in nature, can ever be justified whatever the political belief behind it. You won't find me defending it.

Personally I prefer the power of ridicule exposing hypocrisy. So the Trump baby seemed pretty good to me.

 


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What these judges have done is unprecedented.

It just confirms what I already knew about the elites.

Parliament is ultimately prorogued by the Monarch, it's her Parliament. If she consented it is by definition constitutional.

Leave was a majority working class decision being refused by a majority elite remainer class.

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 2.35pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am happy that the law has spoken and my contention that Parliament is supreme has been supported, as it always was going to be. That my posts have been "long winded" and repetitive has only been necessary because so many have refused to acknowledge this. That some still do is really unfortunate but won't change anything.

If you don't like the law, change the law. To do that you need to vote in a Parliament who agrees with you. That's the way it is done and not via "civil unrest". Peaceful protests and well put arguments will help Parliament change their mind. It's up to you to convince people. I am not convinced you will be able to do it.


as I told you before, I will NEVER vote again in ANY election....waste of time....if MPs can ignore 17.4 million votes then my vote counts for NOTHING!!!....I am not advocating civil unrest, I just believe it will happen, when Brexit is cancelled as you remainers want it to be....

 

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Originally posted by W12

As David Starkey puts this - we are now under the rule of Lawyers

David Starkey that balanced, objective "historian" whose nickname in some informed circles is apparently "Starkers"?

We have all always been under the rule of lawyers who then become Judges and uphold the laws that Parliament enact on our behalf.

That's our democracy at work. Nothing more, or less.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

So you'd accept the outcome of the GE? I doubt it. I'm not sure how you could, as it would effectively go against your own principles.

Also, again, I definitely think you're overstating the case when it comes to significant civil unrest. No one cares enough. They're too comfortable.


A GE with parties agreeing to PROMISE to honour what they say they will with regards to Brexit takes a lot of wind out of my sails that is for sure.

And makes that moral high ground you Remainers seem to love standing atop have at least a dollop more solidity to it.

All I have ever asked for is honesty in this process. We were told, prior to June 23rd 2016, that our decision would be acted upon. No ifs or buts or what ifs or nuance. A simple Leave or Remain question with every voted equally counted. An exercise in pure democracy.

And it was done and dusted. A huge turnout, a clear majority for Leave with no serious qualms about how the votes were either cast or counted.

Then a GE in which 80% of the votes were cast for Parties promising to honour that result.

And here we are now. A cluster-f*** but with a single get out of jail card for free offered. A GE on the table.

Would I stop campaigning/sounding off for us to leave the EU? Then no. But at least you have something solid to throw back at my rantings. If there is a Parliment with a majority of MP's elected on the back of manifesto promises to not honour the 2016 result then you actually have an arguement to make for us not leaving or a second referendum. Still leaves a NASTY taste in my mouth and the wider faith in our political system damaged even more than it is but at least you can still make a case that voting matters.

But instead, we are not having a GE as things stand. You are effectively celebrating the will of 17.4 million people being ignored. In some cases, Remainers are even cheering on the death of some of those voters. And more than happy to throw all sorts of insults at them because they had the audacity to make the effort to vote and then expect the promises made to them to be honoured.

There is one last mechanism with a shred of democratic legitimacy left to resolve this. And as of today, it is not happening.

When it does, then I will give you a definite answer. But at the moment, all that matters is that Remainers appear unwilling to accept the result on June 23rd.


 


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Originally posted by the silurian


as I told you before, I will NEVER vote again in ANY election....waste of time....if MPs can ignore 17.4 million votes then my vote counts for NOTHING!!!....I am not advocating civil unrest, I just believe it will happen, when Brexit is cancelled as you remainers want it to be....

Then you would be failing to do what I believe is your constitutional duty.

Actually I don't want Brexit cancelled! I want Parliament to decide how we proceed. If that means, in what I regard as a very unlikely scenario, that we now remain then I will accept their decision. If the country votes in a new Parliament which decides to vote to leave without a deal then I will accept that decision. If they decide to negotiate an alternative arrangement which means we leave and the people are consulted directly on whether to accept it, I will accept their decision.

It's Parliament's job and not mine. My job, along with your's, is to help choose the Parliament. If you decide not to take part then that's your decision but one I would regret you making.

 


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