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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 02 Oct 19 5.28pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You go round in circles with the same old crap.

Brexit is not impossible to deliver. It is only those opposing it for self interest that are making it appear that way.
If they continue to obstruct Brexit, then no deal is the only option, be it before or after an election.

There will not be a 'no deal' permanently anyway, as you and all the other Remain bulls***ters know full well.

End thread. (Chapter 3 or 4 or 5 to 95)

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Oct 19 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We elect a Parliament. The government is formed from the Parliament.

The government has lost control because enough MPs no longer support it.

My comments were about the government selected by a PM who was himself chosen by just 100,000 or so of us.

Parliament is doing just fine. Messy but functioning as it should.

That’s the way the system works so we have to accept it; on the same basis as everything else they do. Besides 100,000 is a lot more than the 11 being applauded for their input.

 

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YouGov Polls

Latest Westminster voting intention (30 Sep - 1 Oct)
Con - 34%
Lib Dem - 23%
Lab - 21%
Brexit Party - 12%
Green - 5%
Other - 5%

 

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Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? (2nd Oct)
Boris Johnson - 40%
Jeremy Corbyn - 22%
Don't know - 35%

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In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union? (2nd Oct)
Right - 40%
Wrong - 49%

Edited by dollardays (02 Oct 2019 6.33pm)

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Oct 19 8.15pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

I totally agree with you on that point. Its like talking to a brick wall with him and the repetitive BS that he posts all the time proves it. You will never win with him as he just a lower deck lawyer.

The pots and kettles are all merrily dancing and laughing their socks off at that.

Keep them coming.

This is serious stuff but a good belly laugh always is worthwhile.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You go round in circles with the same old crap.

Brexit is not impossible to deliver. It is only those opposing it for self interest that are making it appear that way.
If they continue to obstruct Brexit, then no deal is the only option, be it before or after an election.

There will not be a 'no deal' permanently anyway, as you and all the other Remain bulls***ters know full well.

As I haven't heard anyone argue that Brexit is impossible to deliver I think everyone agrees with you on that!

It isn't though the point, is it?

It's how the exit is managed that concerns people. There might be some who are motivated by self interest (Mr Johnson and Mr Corbyn being two examples) but most have quite genuine worries that in leaving without a formal agreement in place will cause harm, some of which might not just be financial but psychical. If you truly believe that then you have to act on that belief. Dismissing it by saying that it will be OK in due time is no answer.

If harm can be avoided then it must be, whatever the delay and whatever the anger caused to those who feel cheated. Please try to understand why Parliament, and indeed the EU, have these reservations and stop attributing evil intent to them. There is much more involved than just politics.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Oct 19 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I haven't heard anyone argue that Brexit is impossible to deliver I think everyone agrees with you on that!

It isn't though the point, is it?

It's how the exit is managed that concerns people. There might be some who are motivated by self interest (Mr Johnson and Mr Corbyn being two examples) but most have quite genuine worries that in leaving without a formal agreement in place will cause harm, some of which might not just be financial but psychical. If you truly believe that then you have to act on that belief. Dismissing it by saying that it will be OK in due time is no answer.

If harm can be avoided then it must be, whatever the delay and whatever the anger caused to those who feel cheated. Please try to understand why Parliament, and indeed the EU, have these reservations and stop attributing evil intent to them. There is much more involved than just politics.

That would be fine if either side had ever supported the other over anything. Johnson or Corbyn could come up with a foolproof plan to end poverty, cure disease and bring world peace and the other would oppose it.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That would be fine if either side had ever supported the other over anything. Johnson or Corbyn could come up with a foolproof plan to end poverty, cure disease and bring world peace and the other would oppose it.


To be fair, right at the start of the process when David Davis was the Brexit secretary he did start out from a position of wanting to make the effort to include all the main political parties. It was May who scuppered that so perhaps it might remain one of the 'what ifs' when this entire sorry affair is done and dusted.

Had some time to process Johnsons 'deal'. If he has the DUP onboard then it stands a chance of passing, if the EU are willing to swallow it.

Personally I want no-deal so am keeping my fingers crossed but from what I have been reading, it seems that many Remain types appear a tad worried it might actually work. Lets see.

Lot of noise from the usual suspects about how it is unacceptable BUT that is to be expected. Interesting to see how it pans out over the next 48 hours.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Once in a generation is she taking the piss?
BBC News - Theresa May says Domestic Abuse Bill 'once-in-a-generation opportunity'
[Link]
That choice of words is unbelievable with what's going on with brexit

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Oct 19 9.28pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I haven't heard anyone argue that Brexit is impossible to deliver I think everyone agrees with you on that!

It isn't though the point, is it?

It's how the exit is managed that concerns people. There might be some who are motivated by self interest (Mr Johnson and Mr Corbyn being two examples) but most have quite genuine worries that in leaving without a formal agreement in place will cause harm, some of which might not just be financial but psychical. If you truly believe that then you have to act on that belief. Dismissing it by saying that it will be OK in due time is no answer.

If harm can be avoided then it must be, whatever the delay and whatever the anger caused to those who feel cheated. Please try to understand why Parliament, and indeed the EU, have these reservations and stop attributing evil intent to them. There is much more involved than just politics.


You said Cameron's promise was undeliverable and now you say the reverse.
The EU have reservations because they want to protect their interests as do the Irish and Scots.

Parliament should not have voted for a referendum if it was then going to fret about the process and the consequences of leaving. Many obviously bet on a Remain win and lost.

The current members of Parliament must accept the decision in 2016 and see it through whether they like it or not.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (02 Oct 2019 9.29pm)

 

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If I could draw I’d draw a cartoon of Boris pulling a spanner out of the works and handing it back to the EU saying, ‘I believe you put and left this in there. Back to you.’

All those opposed will find something else, you can count on it, and they’re trying to claim Boris is trying to make the EU the ones to blame. The cheek of these cvnts. The cheek of us. Trying to do what we’d like in the future. Fvck them. We’ll visit each other’s countries and get on but I and others around Europe don’t see why we should be forced into having live their ideal.

 


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