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 steeleye20  Croydon 09 Dec 17 11.06am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
^^^^^ Cameron's deal below with the EU 19 months ago which was dismissed out of hand by Brexiteers as 'nothing'. "It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom. So why exactly are we leaving again? Well it is a 'nothing' statement as the UK would have simply used its veto over closer union if it was proposed. Personally I prefer being European and would welcome closer union in a federal system, a 'United States of Europe' as Churchill envisaged, would be ideal.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 17 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
^^^^^ Cameron's deal below with the EU 19 months ago which was dismissed out of hand by Brexiteers as 'nothing'. "It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom. So why exactly are we leaving again? The EU is built on fudge and the immediate needs of the ruling clique. When European integration happens, the above would have been discarded in a similar manner to the way the EU got the Lisbon Treaty agreed when some countries democratically voted not to incorporate it in their law. Read ‘Adults in the room’, a book written by a Socialist, to understand how the EU works, not the idealised version in your head. Also, it’s quite astonishing that you believe what Cameron said. You really are a political pendulum.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 17 11.34am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well it is a 'nothing' statement as the UK would have simply used its veto over closer union if it was proposed. Personally I prefer being European and would welcome closer union in a federal system, a 'United States of Europe' as Churchill envisaged, would be ideal. Then move to France or embrace Brexit.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Dec 17 11.56am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The EU is built on fudge and the immediate needs of the ruling clique. When European integration happens, the above would have been discarded in a similar manner to the way the EU got the Lisbon Treaty agreed when some countries democratically voted not to incorporate it in their law. Read ‘Adults in the room’, a book written by a Socialist, to understand how the EU works, not the idealised version in your head. Also, it’s quite astonishing that you believe what Cameron said. You really are a political pendulum. 'Also, it’s quite astonishing that you believe what Cameron said. You really are a political pendulum'. It would indeed be astonishing if anyone believed what a Tory PM said, whatever next.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Dec 17 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Should all people against Brexit move to France if they don't like it?
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 17 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Should all people against Brexit move to France if they don't like it? Remainers are welcome in the UK if they accept the democratic will of the people. Answer my previous question to you, which you appear to be deflecting, what is a ‘Corbyn Brexit’?
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 17 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It would indeed be astonishing if anyone believed what a Tory PM said, whatever next.
Thank f*** we have a Tory PM guiding this situation rather than a Labour one. Please tell me, what is the Labour Party position on Brexit!? I cannot get a straight answer from Gusset so your response will be appreciated.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Dec 17 1.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Thank f*** we have a Tory PM guiding this situation rather than a Labour one. Please tell me, what is the Labour Party position on Brexit!? I cannot get a straight answer from Gusset so your response will be appreciated. I don't associate my remain views with labour M. I think they just go along with things, quite ineffective oposition.
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Dec 17 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The EU is built on fudge and the immediate needs of the ruling clique. When European integration happens, the above would have been discarded in a similar manner to the way the EU got the Lisbon Treaty agreed when some countries democratically voted not to incorporate it in their law. Read ‘Adults in the room’, a book written by a Socialist, to understand how the EU works, not the idealised version in your head. Also, it’s quite astonishing that you believe what Cameron said. You really are a political pendulum. I wasn't quoting Cameron but the final deal agreed by both sides during his visit.
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| wordup 09 Dec 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Thank f*** we have a Tory PM guiding this situation rather than a Labour one. Please tell me, what is the Labour Party position on Brexit!? I cannot get a straight answer from Gusset so your response will be appreciated.
Still, from a rational perspective, most people clearly don't want a 'hard brexit', so whatever s*** version of leaving we end up with is apparently what we decided we wanted as a nation. [Link] - Ireland saves UK from Hard Brexit
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| Stirlingsays 09 Dec 17 5.06pm |
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Once the country voted for Brexit the PM should really have been a leaver.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Dec 17 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Thank f*** we have a Tory PM guiding this situation rather than a Labour one. Please tell me, what is the Labour Party position on Brexit!? I cannot get a straight answer from Gusset so your response will be appreciated. Cryptic answers in intereviews from corbyn and waffle from Starmer in presentations.
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