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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 16 8.28pm
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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 16 8.59pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Stirling - Evangelicals believe the bible to be, literally, the word of God too. Every damned last phoneme of it. Well, the Evangelicals are a small section of Christianity....The Islamic faith is about one billion people. In Islam you are told to take its words as the literal words of God.....Perhaps you are comparing apples to oranges here Kermy. Also...thing is Kermy, evangelicals being Christians believe that Christ started a new covenant....hence he over-rides previous practice. So a literal interpretation of Christianity New Testament doesn't contain much in the way of violence. All fundamentalists are a pain in the arse....But Christian fundamentalists are more likely to be irritating than anything else. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 16 8.59pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Stirling - Evangelicals believe the bible to be, literally, the word of God too. Every damned last phoneme of it.

Well, the Evangelicals are a small section of Christianity....The Islamic faith is about one billion people. In Islam you are told to take its words as the literal words of God.....Perhaps you are comparing apples to oranges here Kermy.

Also...thing is Kermy, evangelicals being Christians believe that Christ started a new covenant....hence he over-rides previous practice.

So a literal interpretation of Christianity New Testament doesn't contain much in the way of violence.

All fundamentalists are a pain in the arse....But Christian fundamentalists are more likely to be irritating than anything else.

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DanH SW2 06 Jun 16 9.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Oh I see, black racism is acceptable if you yourself are discriminated against. So to be a black separatist is an understandable response.....Even in an era where very few black men agreed. I think you are an apologist for extreme behaviour. The fact is that Ali is praised and his racism ignored or minimized by most yet Hogan did far far less than Ali ever did on race yet is regarded as a terrible human being is sheer hypocrisy in my book. You're really not very smart are you?
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SW2 06 Jun 16 9.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh I see, black racism is acceptable if you yourself are discriminated against. So to be a black separatist is an understandable response.....Even in an era where very few black men agreed.

I think you are an apologist for extreme behaviour.

The fact is that Ali is praised and his racism ignored or minimized by most yet Hogan did far far less than Ali ever did on race yet is regarded as a terrible human being is sheer hypocrisy in my book.

You're really not very smart are you?

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 16 9.10pm
Originally posted by DanH You're really not very smart are you? Mmmm....the nature of your debate shows the real story. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Jun 16 9.10pm

Originally posted by DanH

You're really not very smart are you?

Mmmm....the nature of your debate shows the real story.

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johnfirewall 06 Jun 16 9.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You should read it Nick....and the hadiths. Everything is open to interpretation but the Qoran obviously is no different but it is certainly very different to the Bible in many important respects. The Bible is recognised as being written by man inspired by God.....The Bible is meant to be viewed as as man's interpretation. However, the Quran is meant to be the written words of God. Old Mo isn't interpreting the words of God, he is literally writing them down. The book text itself prohibits any changes. Hence when old Mo has sex with a nine year old and has whole Jewish tribes beheaded from the teenage boys up and divides their women as sex slaves for him and his men......It's kind of hard to see much room for interpretation. Those Muslims protesting and indeed fighting against IS are obviously good Muslims.....But Islam itself has a huge problem....and that problem is its religious books themselves and the societies around the globe that seek to enact its laws. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2016 8.12pm) We should objectively count which book promotes more murderous acts the same way we should count the things Ali or Trump have each said and then decide which was worse but people know which side they support before the match has kicked off. Moreover there are certain teams beyond reproach. Not that Morgan, Hopkins or Clarkson are entitled to an opinion. Hopefully one of them will come out with something anti-Semitic soon so we can really work out where the double-standards are. I'm only aware of the Trump comparison thanks to Facebook, which allegedly prioritises left-wing stories in its feeds, so in fact the entire media perpetuate this sh1t and people lap it up when it suits their agenda. Edited by johnfirewall (06 Jun 2016 9.22pm)
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06 Jun 16 9.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You should read it Nick....and the hadiths.

Everything is open to interpretation but the Qoran obviously is no different but it is certainly very different to the Bible in many important respects.

The Bible is recognised as being written by man inspired by God.....The Bible is meant to be viewed as as man's interpretation.

However, the Quran is meant to be the written words of God. Old Mo isn't interpreting the words of God, he is literally writing them down. The book text itself prohibits any changes.

Hence when old Mo has sex with a nine year old and has whole Jewish tribes beheaded from the teenage boys up and divides their women as sex slaves for him and his men......It's kind of hard to see much room for interpretation.

Those Muslims protesting and indeed fighting against IS are obviously good Muslims.....But Islam itself has a huge problem....and that problem is its religious books themselves and the societies around the globe that seek to enact its laws.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2016 8.12pm)

We should objectively count which book promotes more murderous acts the same way we should count the things Ali or Trump have each said and then decide which was worse but people know which side they support before the match has kicked off. Moreover there are certain teams beyond reproach. Not that Morgan, Hopkins or Clarkson are entitled to an opinion. Hopefully one of them will come out with something anti-Semitic soon so we can really work out where the double-standards are.

I'm only aware of the Trump comparison thanks to Facebook, which allegedly prioritises left-wing stories in its feeds, so in fact the entire media perpetuate this sh1t and people lap it up when it suits their agenda.

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palace-metros Redhill 06 Jun 16 11.45pm
Just watched the first Liston fight again (for the umpteenth time). Pure Class in the ring! And that was at just 22 y.o. Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Redhill 06 Jun 16 11.45pm

Just watched the first Liston fight again (for the umpteenth time). Pure Class in the ring! And that was at just 22 y.o.

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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Galv Wallington 06 Jun 16 11.52pm
That was a fantastic fight. I have just watched the George Forman '74 fight. Brilliant tactics- properly brave against a man who could hit like a sledgehammer. R.I.P legend. Originally posted by palace-metros Just watched the first Liston fight again (for the umpteenth time). Pure Class in the ring! And that was at just 22 y.o.
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Wallington 06 Jun 16 11.52pm

That was a fantastic fight. I have just watched the George Forman '74 fight. Brilliant tactics- properly brave against a man who could hit like a sledgehammer.
R.I.P legend.

Originally posted by palace-metros

Just watched the first Liston fight again (for the umpteenth time). Pure Class in the ring! And that was at just 22 y.o.

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DanH SW2 07 Jun 16 9.29am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Mmmm....the nature of your debate shows the real story. Genuine question - did you expect him not to harbour any hatred towards white people at all growing up where he did and when he did?
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SW2 07 Jun 16 9.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmm....the nature of your debate shows the real story.

Genuine question - did you expect him not to harbour any hatred towards white people at all growing up where he did and when he did?

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 16 7.04pm
Originally posted by DanH Genuine question - did you expect him not to harbour any hatred towards white people at all growing up where he did and when he did? Nothing like the extremist level he expressed. I can say extremist because he was a member of, and supported the Nation of Islam, which was definitely an extremist organization most black people did not support. I have already expressed that some understanding of the nature of the times is fair in any judgement of Ali but this by no means should ignore the reality of how most black people responded to those times. The majority of black people...and in fact many people may have admired Ali for his fighting and his wit.....But few supported his political beliefs or his views on race. The Nation of Islam was a racist and anti semetic organization and Ali defended it vehemently. Most black people didn't support this and that's most probably because the can tell racism when they hear it and rejected it for what it was. A quote from MLKjr.....A man who could drawn far more support for his views on all sides. 'When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims and started calling himself Cassius X he became a champion of Racial Segregation and that is what we are fighting against. I think perhaps Cassius should spend more time proving his boxing skill and do less talking.' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by DanH

Genuine question - did you expect him not to harbour any hatred towards white people at all growing up where he did and when he did?

Nothing like the extremist level he expressed. I can say extremist because he was a member of, and supported the Nation of Islam, which was definitely an extremist organization most black people did not support.

I have already expressed that some understanding of the nature of the times is fair in any judgement of Ali but this by no means should ignore the reality of how most black people responded to those times.

The majority of black people...and in fact many people may have admired Ali for his fighting and his wit.....But few supported his political beliefs or his views on race. The Nation of Islam was a racist and anti semetic organization and Ali defended it vehemently.

Most black people didn't support this and that's most probably because the can tell racism when they hear it and rejected it for what it was.

A quote from MLKjr.....A man who could drawn far more support for his views on all sides.

'When Cassius Clay joined the Black Muslims and started calling himself Cassius X he became a champion of Racial Segregation and that is what we are fighting against. I think perhaps Cassius should spend more time proving his boxing skill and do less talking.'

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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Jun 16 7.12pm
His stance on Vietnam was heroic imo and probably helped in a roundabout way of saving thousands of lives later on due to kids burning their draft papers, etc. Must have given them strength. Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jun 2016 7.13pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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His stance on Vietnam was heroic imo and probably helped in a roundabout way of saving thousands of lives later on due to kids burning their draft papers, etc. Must have given them strength.

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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 16 7.37pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 His stance on Vietnam was heroic imo and probably helped in a roundabout way of saving thousands of lives later on due to kids burning their draft papers, etc. Must have given them strength. Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jun 2016 7.13pm) The war in Vietham came at a huge cost to America but it stopped the spread of communism. If the west...namely America hadn't fought communism it would have just continued spreading and taking them down one by one. The ideological left just don't like the reality that freedom is paid for in blood. Apparently if we could just talk about it just a little bit more it would all be alright. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2016 7.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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07 Jun 16 7.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

His stance on Vietnam was heroic imo and probably helped in a roundabout way of saving thousands of lives later on due to kids burning their draft papers, etc. Must have given them strength.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jun 2016 7.13pm)

The war in Vietham came at a huge cost to America but it stopped the spread of communism.

If the west...namely America hadn't fought communism it would have just continued spreading and taking them down one by one.

The ideological left just don't like the reality that freedom is paid for in blood. Apparently if we could just talk about it just a little bit more it would all be alright.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2016 7.39pm)

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palace-metros Redhill 07 Jun 16 11.51pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The war in Vietham came at a huge cost to America but it stopped the spread of communism. If the west...namely America hadn't fought communism it would have just continued spreading and taking them down one by one. The ideological left just don't like the reality that freedom is paid for in blood. Apparently if we could just talk about it just a little bit more it would all be alright. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2016 7.39pm) There was silly old me thinking it was propagated by the US arms industry. Really must read up more... Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Redhill 07 Jun 16 11.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The war in Vietham came at a huge cost to America but it stopped the spread of communism.

If the west...namely America hadn't fought communism it would have just continued spreading and taking them down one by one.

The ideological left just don't like the reality that freedom is paid for in blood. Apparently if we could just talk about it just a little bit more it would all be alright.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2016 7.39pm)

There was silly old me thinking it was propagated by the US arms industry. Really must read up more...

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

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