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 Hrolf The Ganger  23 Mar 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Literally laughable given the response from the "Right" to the murder of Jo Cox was exactly "it was an atrocity but...[it was the work of a lone nutjob etc etc]" What a surprise to see that hypocrisy and selective memory is definitely not restricted in any way to those on the "Left". Edited by OknotOK (23 Mar 2017 12.12pm) I don't remember any ambiguity about the condemnation of Jo Cox's murder.
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| .TUX. 23 Mar 17 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
And the security services, special branch, the anti-terrorist unit, GCHQ etc. Its notable that these services have a pretty good record for preventing attacks, arresting and convicting people preparing attacks etc. These also include people who are Muslim. They couldn't function without them. But its certainly down to the apparatus of state to police society. No community or group in society can really be trusted to police itself, that's why we have police forces. People within a community group are likely blind to some degree to this responsibility to the greater society as a whole Yet once again we have the standard line trotted.......''the attacker is known and has been investigated in the past''. This is becoming a joke.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Mar 17 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
This is a classic left liberal response to Islamic terrorist attacks, with the 'However', or "it is an atrocity, but ...". Oh dear. It's ironic that people that say they are suspicious of all Muslims are the ones most likely quoted as a recruitment tool for extremists.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Mar 17 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
And the security services, special branch, the anti-terrorist unit, GCHQ etc. Its notable that these services have a pretty good record for preventing attacks, arresting and convicting people preparing attacks etc. These also include people who are Muslim. They couldn't function without them. But its certainly down to the apparatus of state to police society. No community or group in society can really be trusted to police itself, that's why we have police forces. People within a community group are likely blind to some degree to this responsibility to the greater society as a whole This is cold comfort. The security services were certainly relatively effective before fifth columnists released their methods onto the Internet for radicals to study. However the prevent strategy has predictably been a failure....a huge waste of money in terms of effectiveness. And as the Islamic population continues to rise are we just expecting these costs to also rise? At some point it becomes unsustainable.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
His parents country. Who won't accept him, because he isn't a national of that country. Same as we wouldn't accept someone who isn't British, and being deported as a known terrorist because some other country says he's a threat. Of course there is a very reasonable argument that anyone convicted of terrorist activities, should not be leaving custody, at least for as long as we have 'a war going on'. Which I do agree with. I don't believe they should be held in cruel conditions outside of legal recourse as the US seems to have been doing. But they shouldn't be released back into society unless they can demonstrate a miscarriage of justice, or provide sufficient material support to the security services, proportional to their crimes. Realistically, we are in a war. We should consider that during a war we don't just let 'captured enemy' out of prison.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh dear. It's ironic that people that say they are suspicious of all Muslims are the ones most likely quoted as a recruitment tool for extremists. Are you suggesting that we should all mind our manners so we don't upset them and make them become terrorists? Can you hear yourself?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Mar 17 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Are you suggesting that we should all mind our manners so we don't upset them and make them become terrorists? No.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Yet once again we have the standard line trotted.......''the attacker is known and has been investigated in the past''. This is becoming a joke. Wouldn't surprise me. But realistically, we're talking about a person with a car and a kitchen knife. That's not something that's really detectable in terms. You can't really stop that, unless you just start imprisoning everyone 'known and investigated' but not charged with a crime. No system will be 100% successful. Some will get through, especially where there isn't really a conspiracy of more than one or two, using every day objects of common ownership.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't remember any ambiguity about the condemnation of Jo Cox's murder. I do remember a lot of people though distancing him from things like Brexit and groups associated around that.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Mar 17 12.27pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Oh dear. It's ironic that people that say they are suspicious of all Muslims are the ones most likely quoted as a recruitment tool for extremists. 'If we just love them they wouldn't kill us'...ah how the appeasers try to square the circle....C.Hitchens shredded this ridiculous argument. 'Recruitment tool for extremists' - This is utter utter nonsense. Islamic extremists would successfully recruit regardless of any tactic used against them. The religious and anti western base that forms the upbringings of their recruits. That is the main recruitment tool and that comes from the difference in value systems between Islam and the secular west......Everything else is a well worn excuse.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 23 Mar 17 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I don't remember any ambiguity about the condemnation of Jo Cox's murder. Then you're demonstrating said selective memory. Nick wasn't even ambiguous in his condemnation: Quote
Well this union official (I like the way you think that's a derogatory phrase)thinks the attack was an atrocity. However I don't think eying all Muslims with suspicion is a very good idea. There's no ambiguity in the condemnation of the attack. There's just a statement following that maybe not all Muslims should be viewed as suspicious just because one carried out an attack. If Nick is being ambiguous then as I said, many on this site and commenting at the time were similarly ambiguous in their condemnation of the Jo Cox murder.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Mar 17 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No. Others can decide for themselves.
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